May 8 & 9 2004

[Russell Smith]

Mexico/America

[C.Celina] Hola a todos

[Verónica] Hola mami, cómo estás

[carlosc] hola saludos a todos

[C.Celina] Hola ! vero, estopy muy bien me da gusto encontrarte, como estas tu?

[jorge] hola Carmen, hola Russell.

[thedog] Best Moments

[Verónica] Muy bien, te mando un gran beso y un abrazotote por el día de las momis

[JuanPablo] buenas tardes a todos

[jorge] hola C Smith.

[C.Celina] Hola Jorge , un abrazo,

[jorge] igualmente.

[thedog] C.Celina> Hola Carmen. It is great to find you here.

[csmith] hello, jorge and everyone!

[enrique] Hola buenas tardes a todos

[csmith] welcome Sarah from the UK!

[MigueAngel] I am ready….!!! Listo!!!!

[Verónica] Hoy, en la reunión de Fools hicimos la lectura de la párabola del sembrador, en la lectura y en los comentarios la Presencia en mi presencia fue grandiosa, reberbero en todo mi cuerpo¡¡¡

[jorge] Mi mejor momento fue el dia de antier, al realizar el ejercicio Aprill foll, con mi esposa en casa, fue un momento de presencia muy bueno.

[sarah] csmith> Hola Charles

[MigueAngel] Sus mejores momentos y los peores y como trabajaron por favor.

[JuanPablo] mi mejor momento fue ayer enla tarde tomando un cafe solo y me senta realmente de maravilla, no hay una razon en especial ,solamete me sentia estupendo.

[enrique] mi mejor momento fue hace una hora al hacer el ejercicio del yo soy

[C.Celina] Hoy tuve mi mejor mañana de la semana con la oportunidad de trabajar con lo ejercicios de Mauro, es maravilloso como se renuevan mis impulsos de trabajo y se alimentan mis yoes de trabajo. gracias por ésto Russel, y También a Miguel Angel por darme esta oprtunidad.

[MigueAngel] Veronica: Today at the fools meeting we read the parable of the sower and it was great¡

[csmith] sarah> hola Sarah!

[Yolanda] Buen día a todos. Mi mejor momento fue despues de hacer uno de los ejercicios maestros , y automaticamente cambio mi estado de identificación.

[C.Celina] Hello, Russel is grat also for me..

[carlosc] Mi mejor momento de la semana fue el jueves pasado al darme cuenta de que tengo la posibilidad de darme cuenta y cambiar mi estado emocional si primero me detengo y despues llevo a cabo la accion}

[MigueAngel] Jorge: yesterday with my wife we did together our own April Fools exercise… just fantastic

[C.Celina] Great!! correcting..

[MigueAngel] JuanPablo: yesterday having a coffee no other reason to be great

[enrique] Mi peor momento fué al estar sujetando a mi hijo para que le cortaran el cabello,su berrinche me generó desesperación, trabajé el momento utilizando el ejercicio de caminando en la luz.

[MigueAngel] Enrique: just today an hour ago doing the I Am

[mauricio] Mi mejor momento fué ayer que venia de pasajero en el avion, un niño venia sentado junto a mi venia contento de estar volando.

[MigueAngel] Carmen Celina: working this morning with our new student Mauro and doing the exercises, just wonderful and renewing mny wish to work

[mauricio] y me puso feliz el recordar que tambien cuando estaba en el avion sentia lo mismo.

[MigueAngel] Yolanda: Doing the Master Exercises automatically my identification changed

[jorge] Mi peor momento fue cuando Yolanda se molesto conmigo y no pude hacer, màs que observarme, la forma de trabajar esto fue observar mis estados e intentando no identificarme.

[MigueAngel] Carlos Corral: my best was last Thursday realizing I have the possibility to change my emotional state if first I stop myself and then I act.

[mauricio] My best moment was yesterday when i came like passenger in the plane and next to me was a child who enjoyed the moment to stayed in the plane, and then i remembered when i was child and enjoyed too.

[renatta] mi mejor momento fue el mièrcoles por la noche, compartì 2 ejercicios maestros con mi pareja, luego platicamos y me sentì muy bien.

[MigueAngel] Enrique’s Worst moment: holding my son for having a hear cut and his tantrum generating despair.I worked it using light walking.

[csmith] MigueAngel: enrique: sounds like a best moment to me.

[carlosc] Mi peor momento fue al observar en mi mismo algunos yoes que no desean trabajar y generan identificacion al momento de realizar los ejercicios

[MigueAngel] Jorge’s worst moment: when Yolanda my wife was upset at me and I just selfobserved and the way I worked it was watching my states and trying to not identify.

[JuanPablo] mi peor momento fue el miercoles,tuve una actitud muy grosera con mi novia,peleandome por tonterias,y lo peor de todo es que no me podia contener de decir cosas desagradables para ella.

[MigueAngel] Renatta: my best was on wednesday night sharing two master exercises with my partner and then talking I felt very good.

[mauricio] Mi peor momento fué friccionarme con mi novia que tenia otros planes de ir a la playa y me estresó que no llegara a tiempo al chat de ahora.

[enrique] estoy de acuerdo csmith, son los mejores momentos para trabajar.

[MigueAngel] Charles dice: a Enrique: eso me suena a mi como un mejor momento.

[MigueAngel] Carlos worse: watching some “Is” not wishing to work and generating identification while realizing my exercises.

[MigueAngel] JuanPablo’s worse: having a negative attitud towards my girlfriend and fighting for nonesenses and I couldn’t stop saying back negative things.

[mauricio] My worst moment was now, when me girlfriend and i had some problems to agree with plans, i am going to chat and is going late!! and her wants to go at the beach!! i felt friction yet!!

[JuanPablo] eso lo trabaje haciendo el triple y el yo soy,pro desafortunadamente,fue despues ya que en el momento para mi es muy dficil hacer algo,y cuando hice mis ejercicios ya era demaciado tarde, el daño ya estaba echo.

[renatta] el peor: Ayer, hubo un no acuerdo en una charla con mi pareja y una parte de mi se sentìa incomprendida y desesperada, sentì remordimiento, lo trabajè con razon. act., me respondì lo peor y lo mejor que podìa ocurrir.

[enrique] ¿cómo interpretaría un peor momento,csmith?

[MigueAngel] Enrique to Charles<. yeah it is.

[Yolanda] Mi peor momento fue la semana pasada cuando mi maquina se sintió agredida por un comentario de Veronica . Creo que no pude trabajarlo, pues segun por no expresar negatividad, no lo hable y de todos modos caí en consideración interna y me puse a llorar.

[MigueAngel] RUSSELL CAN’T BE HERE BECAUSE A STORM ..

[mauricio] lo trabajé poniendome en 10, y ni modo, ella no tiene obligacion de posponer sus planes por los mios.

[MigueAngel] RUSSELL NO PUEDE ENTRAR AL CHAT POR UNA TORMENTA.

[mauricio] esto es razonamiento activo.

[MigueAngel] Juan Pablo: I worked that doing the threefold, the I am but when I did my exersises it was too late, the harm was done.

[csmith] enrique> recently I came to understand that any event or moment, good or bad in ordinary life that causes self remembering and can, in itself be remembered is: a best moment!!

[MigueAngel] So Charles would you please answer them¡

[MigueAngel] I will do the translation.

[renatta] puedo compartirles que algo que me ayuda a salir de un mal lugar psicològico es ante todo reconocer ¿Què es lo que me genera esto?, despuès preguntarme: ¿Esto me ayuda en algo?.

[mauricio] i worked to rise 10, and then no way, she has not obligation to make my plans, this is active reason

[csmith] MigueAngel> with you present, we can have two kinds of questions. I’ll take the easy ones, and you and Sarah can take the hard ones!

[MigueAngel] Renatta’s worse>: Yesterday talking to my partenr I felt not understood and working with active reasoning and using the two ends of the stick worked

[C.Celina] mi peor momento fue hace media hora debido a que cesar mi hijo no desocupaba la linea para entra a internet, observé el yo impaciente ansioso, y lo trabaje recordando que debo salvar mi energía y recordandome el verdadero sentido de éste trabajo,

[MigueAngel] Enrique: how would you interpret a worse moment?

[sarah] csmith> ….and Steve Wheeler’s here too!!!

[csmith] enrique> If the worst moment caused self-remembering and could be recalled for a period of time, I would call a qualifying worst moment a best moment.

[Verónica] Mi peor momento fue ayer, cuando llegue a casa y pude observar que Verónica tiene rasgo de vagabundo y ver esto me dolió. Hice mi oración objetiva para ponerme en 10. Hice la vara de dos puntas, sin recriminarme ni juzgarme y puse manos a la obra. Voy a hacer de esto mi Dios para trabajarlo,

[MigueAngel] Yolandas worse: last week feeling my machie attacked because a commentary by Verónica. I wasn’t able to work it. I was mute and inner considering I cried.

[renatta] … completo mi comentario diciendo que es ante todo reconocerlo y preguntarme: ¿Què me genera esto? y despuès: ¿Esto me ayuda?.

[csmith] sarah> great. That’s three of you working on the hard questions.

[csmith] sarah> and helping me with the easy ones!

[sarah] csmith> Actually Charles-I thought I may be the ‘middle man’

[MigueAngel] Charles a Enrique: Recientemente entendí que cualquier evento o momento, bueno o malo en la vida ordinaria que cause recuerdo de si puede en si ser un gran momento!!!

[mauricio] csmith> hello Charles!!

[MigueAngel] Rennatta: asking to myself what is generating this and then asking is this going to help me somehow, that helps me to work

[csmith] mauricio> hello!

[enrique] Ok.csmith, in the ordinary life, all event it´s moment selfme remember.

[MigueAngel] Carmen Celina’s worse: not having today the possibility to join the chat because my son was online and saving my energy with self-remembering and viewing the sense of this work.

[csmith] does anyone else share my revelation about worst moments being best when they cause self-remembering and can be recalled?

[MigueAngel] Charles a Enrique: si el peor momento causó recuerdo de si, y podría ser recordado por un periodo d etiempo lo llamaría que califica para un mejor momento.

[sarah] csmith> Aph No 3

[csmith] absolutement

[MigueAngel] Verónica: worse: observing my tramp feature. and working it with my tools

[sarah] csmith> What I thought was my freedom -I realised was illusion and what I thought was my jailor became my guide

[renatta] He verificado que puedo proponerme algo y hago de esto mi DIOS en el trabajo y lo he llevado a cabo por ejemplo me mordìa las uñas y ahora son unas uñas de mediano tamaño.

[C.Celina] sí en estos últimos días lo he comprendido con más profundidad,

[mauricio] Como hombre No. 5, se está bajo menos leyes mecánicas relativamente hablando?

[MigueAngel] Charles: Alguno de ustedes comparte mi revelación acerca de los peores momentos siendo los mejores cuando causan recuerdo de si y pueden ser recordados?

[mauricio] Like a man no. 5, it is less mecanichal cosmic laws?

[enrique] estoy de acuerdo Charles, empiezo a reconocerlos así.

[MigueAngel] Sarah dice: Lo que yo pensé que era mi libertad- comprendí que era ilusión y lo que pensé que era mi carcelero se volvió mi guia.

[mauricio] Si, no necesariamente lo bonito es lo mas “recordable”

[MigueAngel] Renata: I have verified that I can have an aim and make this my God in the work and I used to eat my nails but now I have nails….!!!!

[mauricio] yes, the pretty one, is not necessary the most rememberable.

[Verónica] Estoy de acuerdo, sin embargo cuando ese peor momento lo trabajo objetivamente es todavía mayor el GRAN MOMENTO¡¡¡

[MigueAngel] Celina to Charles… I have understood that these days.

[csmith] mauricio> on reaching new states and stations one is freer and freer from the laws.

[MigueAngel] Enrique to Charles: yeah, I agree, I am beginning to recognize them that way.

[enrique] Hay un idea de que todo lo que suceda en la vida es “bueno” para el trabajo, entonces lo agradable o desagradable, es sujeto de trabajo sobre sí.

[csmith] renatta> the nails are an outward and visible sign of something internal that has changed. Look for other evidence to remind you of changes in “the horse”

[MigueAngel] Verónica to Charles: I agree, nevertheless when that worse moment is worked objectively is even better the GREAT MOMENT!!!

[renatta] recordar que tengo que recordarme no necesariamente tiene que ser por algo agradable, cuando se hay fricciòn, cuando se està en la lucha entre el dì y el no el resultado final es para mi muy gratificante

[MigueAngel] Charles a Mauricio: al alcanzar nuevos estados y estaciones ono es más libre y libre de las leyes.

[csmith] Verónica> I agree. Perhaps even something to include in your “objective prayer?”

[MigueAngel] Enrique mentions: there is the idea that everything that happens in life is “good” for working it; then the pleasant and unpleasant is a issue for working.

[Cristina] Hola a todos, Hi every body

[jorge] Miguel Angel ayer te envie un mensaje por correo no te llego?

[MigueAngel] Charles a Renatta: las uñas son un signo externo y visible de que algo interno ha cambiado. Busca otra evidencia que te recuerde los cambios del “caballo”.

[csmith] enrique> Sarah wisely reminded us of Aphorism #3: The worse the conditions of life the more productive the work, always provided you remember the work.

[MigueAngel] Renatta: I remember myself not just for something pleasant or when there is friction. When I am in the struggle between yes an no, the result is gratifying.

[csmith] Cristina> Best Moment you’d like to share?

[MigueAngel] Charles a Vero: estoy de acuerdo. Tal vez sería bueno incluir eso en tu oración objetiva?

[MigueAngel] Hola querida Cristina.

[azavala] HELLO, HELLO!!!

[jorge] Hola azavala.

[csmith] azavala> A Best Moment you’d like to share?

[azavala] LAST /100

[C.Celina] cuando un momento o evento muy dificil logro con el trabajo transformarlo se convierte en fuerza para continuar en el trabajo y en “mejor momento”

[MigueAngel] Charles a Enrique: Sarah sabiamente nos recordó el aforismo 3. Mientras mas adversas las condiciones de la vida, más productivo es el trbajo, siempre y cuando recuerdes el trabajo.

[MigueAngel] Charles les pide a Cristina y a Alfonso que compartan su mejor momento

[azavala] THANK YOU!!!

[renatta] gracias Charles, efectivamente he encontrado otras evidencias, eso me impulsa y responsabiliza para proporcionarle un alimento mejor a mi caballo.

[MigueAngel] Carmen Celina: when a moment or difficult event is transformed with the work it becomes a strenght to continue the work and now it is a best moment.

[C.Celina] Holala,alfonso!

[csmith] C.Celina> you’ve got it!

[Verónica] Renatta> llevar a cabo el régimen de Atkins por ejemplo

[MigueAngel] My best moment was reading an e-mail from Cristina… I was crying… just glorious… I believe she is having her Double or Nothing time in Vallarta through Russ!!!

[jorge] ¿como subir a 10 cuando uno se encuentra en un estado desagradable?MigueAngel

[Cristina] Mi mejor momento fue cuando tuve la oportunidad de darme cuenta de que mi máquina todavía hace berrinches y a través de los ejercicios todo se puede cambiar, fue extraordinario verme a misma como máquina y como Cristina

[MigueAngel] My mejor momento fue leer un correo de Cristina… estabo yo llorando… simplmente glorioso. creo que ella va a recibir su Doble o Nada cuando venga a Vallarta.

[MigueAngel] Charles a Carmen celina… ya lo entendiste!!!

[azavala] my besto momento this week was when i was able to mantain my presence for a while and at the same time i felt my breathing!!!! it was a nothing moment !!!

[MigueAngel] Renatta : efectively Ihave found other evidencies and this gives me momentum and gives me responsability to give food to my horse.

[MigueAngel] Jorge asks: how to raise up to 10 when you are in an unpleasant state?

[csmith] renatta> great!

[azavala] mi mejor momento esta semana fue cuando fui capaz de mantener mi presencia durante algún tiempo y al mismo tiempo sentí mi respiración!!!! fue un momento de “NADA”

[MigueAngel] Cristina: my best was having the chance to realize my machine is still tantrumy and through the exercises changing that. It was extraordinay to see myself as a machine and as Cristina.

[csmith] jorge> the objective prayer is a great way to raise your state. It is an exercise I don’t hear many talk about, but perhaps many are using it.

[mauricio] Compartiendo mi experiencia: Cuando quiero subir a 10, me digo a mi mismo.” en que numero estas? ahora sube a 10″ y con decirlo y respirar, me pongo en 10, me digo “estoy muy feliz, muy contento”

[csmith] jorge> stopping thoughts is an exercise that helps every other exercise, as well.

[MigueAngel] Charles a Jorge: la oración objetiva es una gran forma de elevar el estado. Es un ejercicio del que no escucho hablar a casi nadie, pero tal vez muchos lo están usando.

[MigueAngel] Charles a Jorge: parando los pensamientos es un ejercicio que ayuda también como los otros ejercicios.

[mauricio] Share my experience: When i would like to raise up at 10, i talk by myself: “What number i am? now, up to 10!!” and then, with say and breath, i raised 10 and i tell “iam very happy”

[MigueAngel] jorge> A veces es importante platicar con los yoes que se sienten mal y averiguar que quieren y llegar a acuerdos con ellos.

[csmith] jorge> transforming negative emotion into positive emotion is hard work and manifests itself in varied ways as one moves toward objectivity.

[mauricio] Se “siente” cuando respiras y la alegria sube a tu pecho, con desear estar en 10.

[csmith] mauricio> good for you!

[MigueAngel] Sometimes it is good to have a talk with the “Is” that are feeling bad and to find out what is it they want and to arrive to some agreement with them.

[renatta] Charles: Comparto contigo la idea de la oraciòn objetiva en mi caso esto me impulsa inmediatamente y me genera otro estado, para mi la oraciòn objetiva es estar en ese momento en contacto con Dios, y estar en 10 me hace estar en contacto conmigo misma.

[MigueAngel] Charles a Jorge: transformando la emoción negativoa a positiva es trabajo difícil y se manifiesta en variadas formas conforme uno se mueve hacia la objetividad.

[C.Celina] cuando me subo a 10 con la oración objetiva, !estoy en el estado perfecto para trabajar con mis inexsactitudes,es..todo lo que necesito..

[mauricio] I “feel” when i breath, and happiness go -up to your chest, with desire to be at 10

[csmith] MigueAngel> also a good suggestion. Giving those Is what they want, even momentarily, will often make them take leave, especially if they know you mean business.

[MigueAngel] Renatta to Charles: I share with you the idea of the objective prayer. In my case this gives me momentum immediately and generates another state. For me the objective prayer is to be in that moment with God and to be at 10 makes me be in touch with myself.

[Cristina] Quisiera compartirles que esta fue una semana muy intensa, en donde me di cuenta de que lo único real es el trabajo y de que es importante recordarnos en cada momento, la vida nos pone trampas y solo hay que estar alerta para trabajarlas, es maravilloso poder verlo

[MigueAngel] Carmen Celina: when I raise myself up to 10 with the objective prayer I am in the perfect state to work with my inexactitudes. It is all I need.

[csmith] renatta> thank you for sharing that. Objective prayer is something that ought to be revised from time to time.

juanpablo enters this room

[Verónica] Miguel Ángel> en mi experiencia, ahora que retome a Atkins y la máquina se pone berrinchuda de que quiere dulce, pues para que no me sabotee le doy un mazapan sin azúcar. y se queda agusto y puedo continuar con mi trabajo

[MigueAngel] Charles dice: Miguel lo que dijiste también es una buena sugerencia. Darle a esos yoes lo que quieres, incluso momentáneamente, frecuentemente hará que se vayan, especialmente si saben que tu sabes lo que haces.

[MigueAngel] azavala> Traduces del ingles?

[MigueAngel] Cristina: I would like to share this week was intense. I realized the only real is the Work and the importance to remember ourselves every moment. Life is setting tramps and we need to be alert to work them through and it is wonderful to be able to SEE.

[MigueAngel] Charles a Renatta. gracias por compartir esto. La oración Objetiva es algo que debería ser revisado de vez en vez.

[azavala] A LA ORDEN!!!!

[enrique] Yo pienso que las trampas nos las ponemos nosotros mismos Cris.

[csmith] Cristina> Russell said something in this chat last week; your reach should always exceed your grasp. You certainly can work on what you can see, and constantly working on yourself will reveal more and more.

[sarah] MigueAngel> Cristina>I felt that-thankyou.Ho wondrful!

[C.Celina] Tengo que irme buenas noches a todos, M.A. gracias por traducirme Bye!

[MigueAngel] Verónica says: in my experience using ATKINS diet if my machines gets tantrumy wanting a candy, in order to not be sabotaged I give to it a non sugar candy.

[Cristina] enrique> tienes razón hermano, pero a veces ni de eso me doy cuenta

[MigueAngel] Enrique: I thing traps are set by ourselves.

[csmith] Verónica> try some protein when the body wants sugar. It works for me.

[MigueAngel] Cristina answers back to Enrique: you are right my brother, but sometimes I don’t even realized that.

[azavala] csmith> Cristina.- RUSSELL DIJO ALGO EN EL CHAT DE LA SEMANA PASADA; TUS ALCANCES DEBEN SIEMPRE EXCEDER LO QUE COMPRENDES. TU CIERTAMENTE PUEDES TRABAJAR SOBRE LO QUE PUEDES VER, Y CONSTANTEMENTE TRABAJAR EN TI MISMA REVELARÁ MAS Y MAS.

[enrique] Eso lo comparto contigo, el trabajar para estar presentes nos permite hacer lo q tenemos q hacer y quizas más.

[Cristina] csmith> I am agree with you, thank you. Estoy de acuerdo contigo, gracias

[renatta] Creo que es = de importante trabajar sobre lo que los demàs ven en mì, pues lo que yo puedo ver de mi misma quizà sea siempre antepuesto con un velo o como nos lo has compartido Miguel con un tipo de amortiguador.

[MigueAngel] Enrique: working for being present allows us to do what we have to do and maybe more.

[jorge] El estar en 10 por lo que entiendo se refiere al estar en el mejor lugar de uno mismo,e estar intencionalmente feliz? ò tener en mente una emociòn agradable y luego sentirla?

[csmith] enrique what we have to do, and a whole lot more.

[MigueAngel] Renatta. I believe it is equally important to work in what other see in myself; because what I see in myself maybe is always like a veil, like a buffer.

[csmith] Friends and loved ones, another hour of chat has passed. I will say “goodnight” to all.

[csmith] buenos noches.

[sarah] csmith> Night Charles.x

[azavala] csmith A enrique.- ES LO QUE TENEMOS QUE HACER Y MUCHO MAS.

[MigueAngel] Jorge: to be at 10 means to be in the best place in oneself and to be intentionally happy? or to have in mind a possitive emotion and the feel it?

[enrique] buenas noches csmith

[Cristina] csmith> Thank you, Have a nice night

[MigueAngel] Good night and thank you Charles. bye.

[azavala] csmith> AMIGOS AMADOS, UNA HORA DEL CHAT HA PASADO. LES DIJO BUENAS NOCHES A TODOS.!!!

[MigueAngel] Buenas noches a todos…. nos vemos la otra semana.

[renatta] Jorge: Cuando estàs en 10 estàs en lo màs alto que a ti te produce una emociòn agradable ya que Tù la escogiste, entonces debe crearte un momento para recordarte.

[MigueAngel] ustede pueden seguir aqui si lo desean…

[juanpablo] buenas noches a todos,les mando un caluroso abrazo

[MigueAngel] yo tengo que llevar a cenar a Pancho….

[enrique] Gracias Miguel.

[Verónica] Recuerden que el lunes no hay chat hasta el proximo

[jorge] gracias Miguel Angel y a todos , hasta pronto.

[MigueAngel] Good night SArah and all bye

[azavala] BUEN PROVECHO!!!! MUCHOS SALUDOS!!!

[carlosc] Buenas noches a todos gracias por compartir conmigo sus experiencias bye

[enrique] buenas noches a todos y gracias

[Verónica] Gracias Miguel, me sentí orgullosa de lo que dijiste de tu momento de centro magnetico

[renatta] gracias Miguel angel y gracias por tu colaboraciòn Alfonso Z.

[Verónica] y me hizo tener un momento de presencia hermoso

[azavala] GRACIAS HERMANOS!!!! BUENAS NOCHES.

[Verónica] Buenas noches a todos, un beso con amor

[renatta] Nos vemos el Martes, buen fin de semana y dìa de Madres, un beso y un abrazo a todos.

[sarah] N night all.Thankyou.xxxx

England/America

[thedog] BEST MOMENTS

[jperrott] Good evening all! 🙂

[stevew] Been seeing at work how people don’t want to sacrifice their suffering … they prefer to find allies who can confirm their pain.

[stevew] Evening John. Evening Russ.

[thedog] stevew> Very good

[jperrott] Juliet telling me that she’d discovered that studying CS had become truly informative regarding hereself and that she could now beging to ask questions knowing that she would eventually discover the answers!

[stevew] jperrott> Lovely!

[stevew] Hopefully several of the Yeovil group will join us tonight, though June reported that she had some problem with her internet connection.

[thedog] Any enneagram questions while we wait for the others?

[Tony] Hello

[gary] hello all

[stevew] thedog> Last week you said that only very good marketing could raise the manufactire of a cup to TI. I would like you to expand on that, if you would.

[stevew] Hello Tony. Hello Gary.

[jperrott] Hi Tony! :0

[jperrott] Hi Gary!

[stevew] gary> Is Juliet there, too?

[gary] hello john

[Tony] B.M. Stumbling over a thought that changed my emotions towards a situation

[gary] stevew> yes, she is!

[thedog] The cup is produced at LA. Only if the cup gets purchased (eaten) by the consumer does it make it to TI.

[jperrott] Tony> Shareable?

[stevew] thedog> Thanks.

[gary] b/m an inner voice said, stop worrying – think your fears through

[Tony] jperrott> I was nervous about doing a talk to 12 people, I thought what it would be like if I really bodged things up, and I was fine after that

[thedog] stevew> Detha has some paintings that never sold, eventually she reuses the canvass and paints another picture over the ones that don’t make it to TI

[jperrott] Tony> Great! The “what is the worst thing that might happen” treatment tends to get things into a better perspective.

[stevew] thedog> I guess it’s like the acorns that don’t germinate … they simply rot back into the soil. (Though some might reach TI by being eaten by a pig.)

[gary] b/m from juliet- my best moment is being my fathers best moment!

[thedog] stevew> Yes!

[jperrott] gary> Hi Juliet – the explorer! How’s your sef-discovery going?

[jperrott] gary> To Juliet. That’s true – and funny!

[thedog] To Juliet> He sure has been bragging on you

[jperrott] stevew> Like Ibsen’s “Button Moulder” – if you know the play.

[gary] jperrott> Still keeping my saw in the log, challenged at present with last few pages of chapter 6

[gary] From Juliet !

[stevew] jperrott> Alas, I do not. But I can look it up.

[jperrott] gary> Then look upon them as the first few pages of something else! Attitude is everything!

[Tony] Another B.M. P117 In search of the miraculous….remember yourselves includes remembering and you

[jperrott] Tony> Tony 🙂 Ain’t that ever true.

[thedog] Tony> Good one Tony.

[jperrott] Hi Sarah. After your BMs, how are things going?

[gary] jperrott> and begin learning and observing 17 lines aligning!

[jperrott] gary> Which of you said that?

[sarah] BM-Realising that further to a recent findingthat I am always at the beginning that actually I am always at Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti Do-simultaneously………

[jperrott] sarah> That gives us six ways to not succeed in what we intended to do! 😉

[gary] jperrott> sorry, it was me, gary- thought you were replying to my best moment

[stevew] jperrott> Especially if we never really “intended”

[Tony] thedog> If La-Ti is filled with Higher Mental then what fill’s Ti-Do?

[jperrott] gary> Apologies: I must have got my wires crossed! ;(

[sarah] jperrott> Hi my beautiful master Daddy-God-smelling salts-things are going as expected.

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[thedog] Tony> The completing principle. The Do reaches down and Ti feels its persence, which enables to swiftly, directly move toward completion. EX. When the marathon runner sees the finish line.

[jperrott] sarah> Don’t know how to stink about that!

[thedog] Other questions or Best Moments?

[sarah] BM-Talking with Pamela via IM recently-great force!

[sarah] BM-Witnessing Saul regain his COG

[jperrott] sarah> Good for him!

[jperrott] sarah> Has he accepted the reading advice?

[gary] [Juliet]thedog Talking with my daughter, seemingly all doom and gloom,and leaving her with a huge smile on her face after telling her something positive about herself that she instantly recognised! Lovely

[sarah] jperrott> Sauls BM-remembering that he can change the FUTURE,NOW!

[Tony] stevew> What happens to time in a black hole, as it is full of dense matter isn’t it?

[sarah] jperrott> Yes-he has accepted the reading advice……on his way again-1st 100 pages……………

[thedog] Juliet> You not only can change yourself with a thought, but even others.

[jperrott] sarah> S’wonderful – especially as it’s the only time you can!

[jperrott] sarah> That’s great progress; I hope he remembers to relate everthing to his own life – in as many ways as possible.

[stevew] Tony> We can only look at theory (mathematics) to suggest what happens in a black hole. But, if we do, it suggests that subjectively, time does not change.

[stevew] Tony> By which I mean that time continues to pass for the observer in a black hole, at an apparently uniform rate.

[sarah] jperrott> yes

[gary] thedog> In the transitional symbol of the Absolute/ eternal unchanging- can the different states of consciousness be seen ? and if they can, would the bringing together of 3 forces, be represented by the Holy Sun Absolute ?

[stevew] Tony> Our own system suggests the same (luckily?) – as the Law of Three and the Law of Seven would still operate there.

[jperrott] gary> Has anyone called upon Jane recently?

[gary] jperrott> not as far as i know

[thedog] gary> Good Question: They are two different things, states of consciousness vs the transitional symbol. The TS has one octave (like a black hole) where all forces are in the same place (singularity). The HSA has the forces separated, which continues into the Universe .. where some gets conscious.

[sarah] jperrott> Jane and I spoke over the weekend at length pruior to her visit with Nick and Ben to see Zach and his girlfriend. Despite her troubles, she was putting her best foot forward.xx

[Tony] stevew> So when a star collapses the matter is still maintained, it just is too heavy for space?

[jperrott] sarah> Thanks Sarah. In earlier times she would have been called “a brick”!

[thedog] gary> Bringing together three forces, happens throughout the Cosmic Weave where octaves in the ratio 8-10-12 coexist.

[sarah] jperrott> BM-many re Tessa who is taking more and more responsibility for her own position in relation to her life…and consequently experiencing remorse of conscience—-ad all this, regardless of the other players in her arena

[sarah] jperrott> (and)

[stevew] Tony> General Relativity says that as the star becomes more and more dense, the speed at which things have to move to escape it gets ever higher. Eventually, even light can not escape and there is then what is called an “event horizon” between the space occupied by the collapsed star and …

[stevew] Tony> … that around it. The event horizon is “dark” because light is not emitted, and the “gravity well” of the star is so deep that it is likened to a “hole in space” — hence “black hole”. It isn’t really black and it isn’t really a hole.

[jperrott] sarah> Great news. Please give her my congratulations and tell her I’m proud of her.

[thedog] stevew> Would it also apply that the matter is squished back into energy … kinda like a live, high voltage conduit. Just a thought

[stevew] thedog> Current analysis suggests that both matter and energy return to the original “vibration” form that they had instants after the Big Bang.

[thedog] stevew> Some place for God to plug his bed light into.

[sarah] jperrott> BM-A potential student that I chat to in the US via IM-realising that it is not me he is falling in love with-but himself and that what he has been drawn to in me-is the results of the work I study.

[stevew] thedog>

[thedog] stevew> If the matter was turned into energy then the energy must also create equivalent gravity as the mass is converted?

[jperrott] sarah> I’m glad that got sorted out at an early stage.

[sarah] jperrott> I trust that Alison dried out ok after her recent drowning. Pleas give her a warm hug from me.:-)

[gary] thedog> can the symbol be seen as essence – personality- and the universe, if so which line would be representative of the place in “libration leads to liberation” where gurdjieff is reported as saying, These representatives of the devil stand unceasingly at the threshold which separates us from

[stevew] thedog> Matter and energy are kind of interchangeable. Matter is energy bound in a particular form of oscillation. What quantum mechanics calls a “probability wave function”.

[gary] thedog> cont..outside.

[sarah] jperrott> Yes-phew!!

[stevew] gary> Perhaps these “devils” are our imaginary view of the world “outside” – our expectations, desires, dreams, attachments, identifications.

[thedog] stevew> Do they both create gravity (curved space)?

[sarah] jperrott> I trust that Alison dried out after her drowning.Please give her a warm hug from me.:-)

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[gary] stevew> yes, but if we fill the “space”

[stevew] thedog> Yes they do. There was some talk, a while back, about “dark energy” instead of “dark matter” to explain why the universe is not expanding as fast as some theories suggested it should.

[jperrott] sarah> Re Alison – I will.

[stevew] jperrott> Alison went swimming?

[thedog] gary> Which symbol? The Enneagram or the transitional symbol, of which we spoke earlier?

[gary] thedog> t/s

[gary] thedog> both ?

[jperrott] stevew> The truth is I did not understand the reference and was going to get it from Alison. I had assumed it was “gilr-talk”! 😉

[sarah] BM-Studying the families in Ch 6 and seeing that it was only the chatter in my head that stood in the way of my being able to grasp it the first…many times.

[stevew] jperrott> Or maybe “gill” talk? You are in Texas, after all.

[sarah] jperrott> I heard thru Charles that Alsison had to be retrieved from Russ and Pams on one stormy night recently

[jperrott] sarah> Wow! Two people seeing the same thing within the same week!

[jperrott] sarah> Gotcha – yes I had to bring the taxi!

[jperrott] stevew> 😉

[sarah] jperrott> ….four….;-)….or less

[jperrott] sarah> Nice pun!

[thedog] gary> OK. Keep that separate from other things. Nothing else mimics it where we are. Here the forces are separated yet can recombine in a myriad of ways. Down it the section called the Universe, matter starts to re-combine, followed by life, then you. Essence and personality are the properties of organic life and the integration of three forces (matters) of finer density.

[gary] thedog> thank you

[thedog] GONG GONG

[Tony] Thanks everyone

[thedog] Time is up. Thanks for participating. See you next week. Love, Russ

[sarah] Thanks everyone-great chat!!!…thanks Steve for your explainations re black holes

[sarah] thedog> xxx

[gary] bye all, from us both. xxxxxxxxxx

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