March 6 & 7 2004

[Russell Smith]

Mexico/America

18:50:18 [mauricio] hola joaquin

18:50:56 [mauricio] estamos a 9 minutos de comenzar

18:51:25 [joaquin] un abrazo y un beso a todos desde la hermosa ciudad de merida

18:54:45 [MigueAngel] Hello every one… Hola a todos…

18:55:00 [csmith] hello

18:55:20 [csmith] and greetings from Austin, TX where I am spending the weekend!

18:55:31 [MigueAngel] Hola Charles it is good to see from you!!!

18:55:31 [mauricio] hello everybody it´s nice to see ya

18:56:02 [MigueAngel] Charles dice: saludos desde Austin Texas en donde esta pasando el fin de semana

18:57:00 [mauricio] hola a todos me es grato saludarles

18:57:02 [MigueAngel] How is everything going on in Mérida, South Este of Mexico? Cómo esta llendo en Merida todo?

18:57:27 [MigueAngel] South East

18:57:53 [mauricio] MigueAngel> de maravilla!! el grupo se está formando (The Dog Mérida)

18:58:15 [azavala] HELLO, HELLO DEAR BROTHERS…HOLA QUERIDOS HERMANOS.- SALUDOS.

18:58:25 [Cristina] Hola a todos, Hi every one!

18:58:29 [mauricio] Wonderfull! The dog Mérida´s group is in process

18:59:05 [joaquin] un viaje fructifero,querido hermano miguel angel

19:00:26 [joaquin] sin contar a mauricio ya son cuatro los integrantes del grupo aqui.

19:01:05 [MigueAngel] They are mentioning the opening of a new group in South Easte México… yehaaa!!!

19:01:11 [Verónica] Hola buenas tardes, muchos besos y abrazos para todos

19:01:36 [mauricio] Verónica> hola Vero, bienvenida

19:01:43 [MigueAngel] Felicidades Joaquín y Mauricio….!!!

19:02:32 [mauricio] enrique> hola Henry, bienvenido

19:02:48 [enrique] hola buenas tardes a todos

19:02:57 [thedog] Best Moments

19:03:00 [azavala] CORRECTO, PLEASE DEJAME LA TRADUCCIÓN DEL INGLES AL ESPAÑOL. ¿ESTÁ BIEN?

19:03:14 [MigueAngel] thedog> Well dear Master Teacher and Beloved Friend we are waiting your instructions…

19:03:23 [carlosc] hola que tal buenas tardes

19:03:29 [azavala] thedog> RUSSELL PIDE SUS MEJORES MOMENTOS

19:03:33 [MigueAngel] Alfonso> perfecto.

19:03:51 [mauricio] carlosc> hola saludos desde Mérida

19:04:12 [carlosc] que tal mau

19:04:13 [MigueAngel] Mi mejor momento de hoy fue despedir a Berthina y Camen Celina que viajan a Guatemala.

19:04:17 jorge enters this room

19:04:44 [MigueAngel] My best moment today was saying goodbye to Berthina and Carmen Celina Flying to Guatemala…

19:04:59 [csmith] Best Moment: My wife has expressed an interest in the Work. She read Psychology of Man’s Possible Evolution today.

19:05:02 [renatta] mi mejor momento fue ayer con mi hijo Nahum, que ya camina

19:05:12 [Verónica] Uno de mis mejores momentos fue ayer, donde trabajamos los master fools e hicimos unos ejercicios en grupo y fue woow

19:05:32 [mauricio] mi mejor momento fué ver a un nuevo grupo reunido de viejas amistades

19:05:45 [mauricio] interesados en el Trabajo

19:05:50 [jorge] hola buenas tardes a todos, estoy con yola y les manda saludos

19:05:52 [MigueAngel] Renatta from Mexico city says: my best moment was yesterday with my son Nahum that just started walking.

19:05:57 [Verónica] Salimos de nuestra reunión de Fools y venimos en grupo al chat

19:06:17 [thedog] My best moment this week was the awakening of Hector Lopez.

19:06:22 [enrique] hoy por la tarde coopere con un amigo instalando tablaroca pude darme cuenta de lo maravilloso que es el trabajo del centro motriz

19:06:36 [MigueAngel] Verónica says: one of my best moments was yesterday when we work the master fools together and we practice as a group some of the excercises, it was Wow!!!

19:07:07 [MigueAngel] Mauricio says: My best mometn was to see a new group meeting with old friends.

19:07:22 [MigueAngel] Mauricio completes: all interested in the work

19:07:25 [thedog] Verónica>

19:07:28 [mauricio] es maravilloso sentir la presencia cada vez mas frecuente en Mauricio.

19:07:36 [renatta] les comparto que esta semana dos veces hice el ejerccio de aquietamiento por una hora, y no saben qué diferente se siente la máquina, puedo decir que los días se vuelven más presentes y estoy más perceptible.

19:07:46 [jorge] Mi mejor momento fue ayer, en la reunion de Masterfools en la hora de quietud

19:07:48 [MigueAngel] Veronica says, we are just coming out from our fools meeting.

19:07:59 [carlosc] papa( joaquin) ya verificaste tu e mail para saber de la lista que te envie y dime a que hora vas a estar mañana en el aeropuerto

19:08:00 [joaquin] uno de mis momentos de centro magnetico fue llegar de nuevo a merida y comprobar el gran interes de los muchachos y los bellos recuerdos

19:08:38 [MigueAngel] Enrique says: today in the evening I cooperated with a friend installing a wall and I realized how wonderful is working with the moving center.

19:08:49 [Cristina] Mi mejor momento fue hoy al ver una persona que tenía muchas ganas de ver, me abrazó y la presencia fue tan fuerte que lloré

19:09:03 [azavala] MIGUEL, YA ESTOY DE REGRESO!!

19:09:06 [thedog] To All your Best Moments

19:09:06 [MigueAngel] azavala> No tradujiste lo de Russell,,,

19:09:11 [enrique] otro momento de centro magnetico fue en el ejercicio de una hora de quietud en grupo con los master fools

19:09:43 [azavala] thedog> .- MI MEJOR MOMENTO FUE EL DESPERTAR DE HECTOR LOPEZ

19:09:59 [MigueAngel] Mauricio says that it is wonderful to fell the presence everytime mor frequently.

19:10:02 claudia enters this room

19:10:28 [azavala] thedog.- PARA TODOS SUS MEJORES MOMENTOS.-

19:10:40 [claudia] hola, buenas tardes a todos

19:10:44 [renatta] hola Claudia, te mando un beso y un muy fuerte abrazo, espero hayas leído el correo que te envié, saludos a los niños.

19:11:02 [MigueAngel] Renatta says: I share with you that this week twice I made the exercise of sitting still for an hour and it felt very different the machine, I can tell the days are with more presence and I am more receptife.

19:11:29 [mauricio] hola Clau, bienvenida, aqui estamos divertidos con Joaquis y trabajando

19:11:43 [MigueAngel] Jorge says: My best moment was yesterday at the master fools meeting and the one hour lying still.

19:11:58 [thedog] It is the greatest thing in the world to realize that with an objective way that one does have the ability, if one makes the effort, to become objective and impartial. Run toward your created destiny.

19:12:16 [joaquin] hola clau recibe un beso con mi amor

19:12:16 [azavala] csmith> MI MEJOR MOMENTO CUANDO MI ESPOSA MOSTRO INTERÉS EN EL TRABAJO. ELLA LEYO LA PSICOLOGÍA DE LA POSIBLE EVOLUCIÓN DEL HOMBRE.

19:12:28 [MigueAngel] Joaquin says: One of my best moments was to arrive to Merida and and to verify the great interest of the boys

19:13:15 [MigueAngel] Cristina says my best moment was today when seeing a person I had a strong wish to see and she or he hug me and my presence was so strong that I cryed

19:13:53 [MigueAngel] Enrique says: another best moment was the one hour liying still with the master fools group.

19:14:09 [azavala] thedog> LO MAS GRANDE EN EL MUNDO ES COMPRENDER QUE CON UN CAMINO OBJETIVO UNO PUEDE TENER LA HABILIDAD, SI UNO HACE EL ESFUERZO, DE LLEGAR A SER OBJETIVO E IMPARCIA. DIRIGIRSE HACIA SU DESTINO CREADO

19:14:28 [jorge] Pregunto, como darme cuenta de mis contradicciones interiores y como pudo trabajarlas?

19:14:59 [MigueAngel] Alfonso está traduciendo del inglés al español… abusados.

19:15:20 [thedog] Bravo! Bravo! Bravo on your best moments Now…… Any QUESTIONS

19:15:42 [MigueAngel] Jorge asks: how to realize my inner contradictions and how can I work on them?

19:15:53 [azavala] thedog> PREGUNTAS A RUSSELL?

19:16:31 [csmith] thedog> Run toward your created destiny. That ought to produce the same energy as an oasis to a thirsty man.

19:16:46 [claudia] mi mejor momento fue darme cuenta que soy parte de la felicidad de mi pareja cuando lo apoyo en su trabajo.

19:17:02 [azavala] thedog> BRAVO, BRAVO PARA SUS MEJORES MOMENTOS

19:17:14 [enrique] el ser objetivo es paralelo a estar mas consciente de mi mismo?

19:17:15 [jorge] si asi es osi me pueden dar una idea se los agradecere.

19:17:28 [MigueAngel] Claudis says: my best moment was to realize I am part of the happiness of my couple when I support his Work…

19:17:29 [thedog] jorge> Realize ONE! Put all your force towards it. It will soon be destroyed .. then realize another.

19:17:31 [Verónica] Cómo trabajar la mentira, ya que observo que de acuerdo a las interpretaciones que tengo de las cosas emito juicios

19:17:58 [MigueAngel] Enrique asks: To be objective is paralel to being more conscious of myself?

19:18:04 [Verónica] luego entonces cómo poder ser objetiva?

19:18:35 [azavala] csmith> thedog.- CSMITH LE PREGUNTA A RUSS.- PERSEGUIR TU DESTINO CREADO. ESO DEBE PRODUCIR LA MISMA ENERGIA QUE UN OASIS A UN HOMBRE SEDIENTO

19:19:04 [MigueAngel] Verónica asks: How to work with lying? I have observed that in accordance with the interpretations I have, I judge that and then how to be objective?

19:19:20 [carlosc] Como puedo fortalecer el trabajo interior sin perderme en la forma externa del mismo trabajo

19:20:06 [azavala] thedog> jorge.- comprende UNO!!! PON TODA TU FUERZA EN EL. ESTE PRONTO SERA DESTRUIDO…ENTONCES COMPRENDE OTRO

19:20:06 [thedog] enrique> To be objective means ‘to not be subjective’. It is a far aim… We must start with one thing… then another.

19:20:16 [MigueAngel] Carlos asks: How can I streghten my inner work without losing myself in the external form of the same work?

19:21:33 [azavala] thedog> enrique.- SER OBJETIVO SIGNIFICA NO SER “.SUBJETIVO”.– ES UNA META LEJANA…DEBEMOS COMENZAR CON UNA COSA…DESPUES OTRA.

19:21:42 [claudia] de conformidad con el quinto de los “esfuerzos-obligonianos-del-ser” ¿cómo puedo asistir a su perfeccionamiento a aquellos seres similares a mi misma y a aquellos de otras formas si no me piden ayuda cuando veo y siento que sufren y se mienten que trabajan?

19:21:57 [thedog] Verónica> Only judge your own lying. Judging anothers is subjective ( and usually wrong )

19:22:35 [azavala] csmith> YOU ARE WELCOME!!!:

19:23:33 [azavala] thedog> Verónica.- SOLO JUZGA A TU PROPIA MENTIRA. JUZGAR A OTROS ES SUBJETIVO (Y FRECUENTEMENTE EQUIVOCADO).

19:23:39 [MigueAngel] Claudia asks: in agreement with the fifth obligolnian striving, how can I asist to their perfection to those beings similar to myself and those of other forms if they don’t ask for help when I see them and feel they are suffering and lie to themselfs saying they are working?

19:23:58 [joaquin] clau y carlos salgo de merida a las 7a,m, llego a mexico 8.50 vuelo 600 salgo a vallarta 9,45 vuelo 592 llego a vallarta 11,15

19:24:29 [thedog] carlosc> Cann you change your state with a thought … Where are you on a scale from 1 – 10 ? This is inner work. If you can do it, you will never be lost in the external.

19:25:02 [Verónica] mauricio, podras abrir tu messanger? gracias

19:25:41 [jorge] Yolanda comenta que éste es un momento de centro magnético, pues el trabajo compartido del grupo, nos permite estar aquí juntos compartiendo.

19:25:53 [azavala] thedog> carlosc.- PUEDES CAMBIAR TU ESTADO CON UN PENSAMIENTO—¿DONDE ESTAS TÚ EN LA ESCALA DEL UNO AL DIEZ?. ESTE ES EL TRABAJO INTERIOR. SI PUEDES HACERLO, NUNCA ESTARAS PERDIDO EN LO EXTERNO.

19:26:36 [enrique] luego entonces,se puede decir que en este momento,que mi trabajo debe estar encaminado hacia la imparcialidad?

19:26:39 [thedog] claudia> You must first complete the 4th striving, which is your initial doing of the fifth.

19:27:07 [MigueAngel] Yolanda in the same PC with Jorge says this is a magnetic center moment, because the shared work with the group allows us to be her together… sharing.

19:27:44 [jorge] en cuanto mi pregunta acerca de como trabajar con mis contradicciones interiores no me queda claro

19:27:57 [MigueAngel] Enrique asks: therfoer, is it possible to say that in this moment my work must be focused towards imparciality?

19:27:59 [azavala] .- thedog> claudia.- DEBES PRIMERO COMPLETAR LA CUARTA LUCHA OBLIGONIANA, LA CUAL ES TU HACER INICIAL PARA LA QUINTA.

19:28:01 [thedog] jorge>

19:28:22 [renatta] Les comparto que me he dado cuenta que a veces la máquina le gana a Renatta y cuando se da cuenta ya reacciono negativamente, hay otras veces que lo anticipo y aún así hay manifestaciones incorrectas, pueden darme una idea de qué puedo hacer?.

19:29:45 [MigueAngel] Jorge replays saying : in respect with my question about how to work with my inner contradictions I am not clearly understanding.

19:30:15 [thedog] enrique> Your focus should be towards Master Exercises…then Double or Nothing Part 1…then Double or Nothing part 2…

19:31:34 [azavala] thedog> enrique.- TU ATENCION DEBE SER HACIA LOS EJERCICIOS MAESTROS…DESPUES EL DOBLE O NADA PARTE 1…Y DESPUES EL DOBLE O NADA PARTE 2…

19:31:49 [thedog] jorge> Find one contradiction. Put your force and attention to eliminating it. Gurdjieff called it, “Make one thing your God”.

19:32:16 [MigueAngel] Renatta comments: I have realized that sometimes the machine wins and when it realizes that I react negatively, and some other times I can see in advance and nevertheless there are incorrect manifestaions, can you help me?

19:32:30 [mauricio] Cada vez que la presencia llega a Mauricio, se está empezando a llenar de Hidrógenos finos??

19:32:58 [azavala] thedog> jorge.- ENCUENTRA UNA CONTRADICCION. PON TU FUERZA Y ATENCION EN ELIMINARLA. GURDJIEFF LO LLAMABA “HACER DE UN OBJTIVO TU DIOS”.

19:33:08 [mauricio] y/o también a través de transformar las fricciones??

19:33:33 [MigueAngel] Mauricio asks: every time that Presence comes to me, am I filling myself with finer Hidrogens?

19:33:54 [claudia] el domingo pasado se hablo de actuar considerando externamente, ayer lo hice y fui por mi hijo a la escuela considerando que hacía mucho calor, que no llevaba $ ni celular, pero en cuanto me vió se molestó mucho y regresó a casa caminando y solo. Esto me hizo sentir triste.

19:34:05 [MigueAngel] Mauricio continues: and this also happens when we transform frictions?

19:34:47 [Verónica] Para transformar emociones negativas: primero tengo que reconocerla, darme cuenta que ésta no soy yo, después regresar a mi cuerpo y sentirlo así como a mi respiración?

19:35:12 [mauricio] thedog> Sometimes i feel “frictions” and in that moment i “lost” my head and become in a negative expressions

19:35:28 [mauricio] Verónica> Gracias Vero.

19:35:42 [renatta] He verificado la importancia del trabajo en grupo, de lo básico qé es reunirse constantemente, siento como si “trabajar”, me acercara más al “trabajo”

19:36:04 [MigueAngel] Claudia comments: last Sunday we talked about acting considering externally, so yesterday I did it and went to pick up my son to school thinking: it is a very hot day, he has no money neither celular phone, and when he saw me, he got upset and return home walking alone. This made me feel sad.

19:37:03 [MigueAngel] Verónica asks: To transform negative emotions: first I need to recognize it, to realize it is not me, afterwards to return to my body and sense it and also my breath?

19:37:43 [enrique] he descubierto parte de mis inexactitudes,algunas de ellas tienen que ver con el amor de si,puedo echar mano de los ejercicios que en ese momento lleguen del mayordomo suplente?

19:38:20 [mauricio] Varias veces siento “fricción” y cuando sucede, a veces me pierdo y entonces expreso negatividad.

19:38:35 [MigueAngel] Rennata comments: I have verifyed the importance of group work; of how basic is to constantly meet. I feel as if “to work” would make me get closer to the “work”.

19:38:43 [jorge] el ejercicio del YO SOY nos ayuda a alcanzar la presencia de nuestro ser , y en ese estado poder actuar mas conscientemente?

19:39:23 [enrique] he utilizado la vara de dos puntas,razonamiento activo sobre todo,alguna otra recomendacion?

19:39:36 [MigueAngel] Enrique asks: I have discovered that part of my inexactitudes are related with self love; can I use the exercises that in that moment are coming from the deputy steward?

19:39:45 [claudia] he tenido momentos de plenitud, de silencio, de felicidad, por decirlo de otra forma, de no necesitar nada, me da temor de confundir este momento con zona de confort.

19:40:01 [mauricio] jorge> hola jorge, en mi experiencia al hacer el ejercicio del YO SOY experiemento mucha presencia y puedo estar mas alerta para actuar que si no lo hiciera.

19:41:11 [MigueAngel] Jorge asks: The I am exercise helps us to reach the presence of our being, and in that state the idea is to be able to act more consciously?

19:41:34 [csmith] MigueAngel> to enrique: look closely at “self love.” In time, you may discover many more inexactitudes are there than you now realize.

19:41:48 [jorge] es posible darse cuenta de la existencia del cuerpo astral, y como saberlo, o que manifestaciones se dan?

19:41:50 [MigueAngel] Enrique asks: I have used the two ends of the stick excercise and the active reasoning, any other recomendation?

19:42:26 linda enters this room

19:42:26 [claudia] hola Renatta, si vi tu mensaje y me encantó. espero pronto te enteres que ya lo hice también.

19:42:43 [Cristina] enrique> ejercicio maestro No 4

19:42:57 [csmith] MigueAngel> to enrique: Self love, or self-importance has been discovered in my machine quite recently.

19:42:58 [MigueAngel] Claudia mentions: I have had moments of plenitud, silence, happiness, and of not needing anything, and I am affraid to confuse this moment with comfort zone.

19:43:14 [mauricio] Verónica> disculpa Vero, pero mi MSM ahora está inactivo.

19:43:36 [azavala] csmith.-MigueAngel.- PARA ENRIQUE: MIRA DE CERCA TU “AMOR PROPIO”. CON EL TIEMPO, PUEDE SER QUE DESCUBRAS QUE MUCHAS MÁS INEXACTITUDES ESTAN AHI DE LAS QUE AHORA COMPRENDES.

19:44:24 [MigueAngel] Jorge asks: is it possible to realize the existence of Astral Body and how to know or what are the manifestations of it?

19:44:44 [azavala] csmith> MigueAngel.- PARA ENRIQUE.- EL AMOR PROPIO O IMPORTANCIA PERSONAL HA SIDO DESCUBIERTA EN MI MAQUINA MUY RECIENTEMENTE.

19:45:19 [azavala] HELLO LINDA.- I AM GLAD!!!

19:45:31 [claudia] Joaquín> tu recibe otro con mi ser.

19:46:10 [lindam] Saludos a todos.

19:46:56 thedog enters this room

19:47:12 [MigueAngel] Russell se había desconectado y ya regresó.

19:47:39 [thedog] I lost connection…I am back.

19:47:52 [mauricio] [mauricio] thedog> Sometimes i feel “frictions” and in that moment i “lost” my head and become in a negative expressions

19:48:09 [MigueAngel] ¿ven… soy telépata!

19:48:09 [azavala] thedog> DICE RUSS QUE PERDIO LA CONEXION…PERO YA ESTA DE REGRESO.

19:48:24 [renatta] He decubierto que tengo un cierto rasgo de evadirme, de literalmente enmudecer, esto puede ser que estoy en mi zona de confort, hay veces que el ruido o la gente me irrita, cómo puedo considerar externamente

19:49:34 [mauricio] thedog> breathing and thinking in some cases will be the solution?

19:49:46 [MigueAngel] Renatta mentions: I have discovered I have a certain feature that I evade myself, of literally get mude; would this could be that I am in my comfort zone? sometimes the noise and people irritates me, how can I consider externally?

19:50:12 [enrique] una posibilidad de trascender parte de la importancia personal estaria determinada por el reconocimiento y posterior consideracion externa para csmith

19:50:19 [azavala] thedog> mauricio.- RESPIRAR Y PENSAR EN ALGUNOS CASOS SERA LA SOLUCION?

19:50:22 [lindam] mute, I think is the word

19:50:38 [thedog] claudia> You went to get your son from external considering. That is good. Do not let the fact that he did not external consider effect you. You did the right thing.

19:51:22 [MigueAngel] Enrique to Charles: a possibility for transcending the part of personal importance would be determined by the recognition and then external considering?

19:51:31 [carlosc] Como puedo trabajar con yoes que son fuertes y se oponen al trabajo aun con la presencia, tal vez convencimiento?

19:52:30 [azavala] thedog> claudia.- CONSIDERASTE A TU HIJO EXTERNAMENTE.- ESO ES BUENO. NO DEJES QUE EL HECHO DE QUE EL NO CONSIDERO EXTERNAMENTE TE AFECTE. TU HICIESTE LO CORRECTO.

19:52:59 [csmith] MigueAngel> for enrique: recognition is the most important part. If you can see it, you can devise any number of ways to work on it.

19:53:07 [MigueAngel] Carlos asks? how can I work with the “Is” that are strong and opose to the work and even presence? maybe convincing them?

19:53:33 [renatta] Ahora que recientemente dí los aforismos, y en el momento mismo de estudiarlos, verifiqué que me son de gran utilidad, ya que al repasarlos evito la imaginación incontrolada o el caudal desbordado de las asociaciones, creo que son una gran herramienta para mi.

19:54:00 [lindam] Yesterday I had so many legal paper work errands to do that all of the sudden I felt far away from being a 10, I was able to observe myself and realized that my body and mind were feeling overloaded. I decided I must return to my senses for that is my road to presence. I took the weekend to be at

19:54:18 [azavala] thedog> csmithMigueAngel.- PARA ENRIQUE.- RECONOCER ES LA PARTE MAS IMPORTANTE. SI PUEDES VERLO, TU PUEDES INTENTAR MUCHAS MANERAS DE TRABAJARLO.

19:54:22 [csmith] MigueAngel> for enrique: self-importance is a close cousin to inner-considering. The more I look at what has been eliminated from my machine, the more I believe it was all “relatives” of self-importance called my other names.

19:54:53 [csmith] MigueAngel> for enrique: called “by” other names.

19:55:01 [lindam] at the sea, and to feel it in my body and sense it with emotions. I am closer to that ten now!

19:56:01 [mauricio] Cristina> no, no está con nosotros aún.

19:56:17 [jorge] el no juzgar es una solucion para trabajar con mis inexactitudes?

19:56:37 [MigueAngel] Renatta says: I just gave the aphorisms and at the moment of studyin them I verifyed they are great help becuase I control my imagination.

19:56:58 [Cristina] thedog> Tuve una operación de urgencia esta semana, y descubrí que hasta el mismo dolor por mas intenso que este sea se puede transformar, haciendo uso de las herramientas

19:57:00 [azavala] lindam> DICE.- AYER, TENIA TANTOS PAPELES LEGALES QUE RESOLVER QUE ME SENTI MUY LEJOS DE ESTAR EN DIEZ, FUI CAPAZ DE OBSERVARME A MI MISMA Y COMPRENDI QUE MI CUERPO Y MI PENSAMIENT ESTABAN SOBRECARGADOS. DECIDI QUE DEBIA REGRESAR A MIS SENTIDOS POR QUE ESTE ES EL CAMINO A LA PRESENCIA. Y TOME EL

19:57:08 [renatta] Cómo considerar externamente a alguien, que está encimismada, considerada internamente y que utiliza por así decirlo una especie de chantaje, inevitablemnete me llegan juicios y opto por ser pasiva

19:57:25 [azavala] lindam> FIN DE SEMAN PARA ELLO.

19:57:33 [MigueAngel] Jorge asks: Not judging is a solution for working with my inexactitudes?

19:58:27 [MigueAngel] Cristina comments: I had an urgent surgery this week and I discoverd that even with the most intense pain, it can be transformed using the tools.

19:58:50 [lindam] Jorge, no se is es la solucion pero el no juzgar, si es una gran ayuda por lo menos en mi experiencia

19:59:31 [azavala] carlosc> MigueAngel.- PARA ENRIQUE. LA IMPORTANCIA PERSONAL ES UN PRIMO CERCANO DE LA CONSIDERACION INTERNA. CUANTO MÁS MIRO LO QUE HA SIDO ELIMINADO DE MI MAQUINA, TANTO MAS CREO QUE SON PARIENTES DE LA IMPORTANCIA PERSONAL PERO CON OTROS NOMBRES.

19:59:34 [Cristina] Haciendo esfuerzos masivos, no hay espacio para las emociones negativas!!! ni para los estados de depresión o tristeza, etc.

20:00:00 [csmith] good night, dear friends and loved ones.

20:00:09 [Cristina] Solo se mantiene la felicidad y la emoción en cada cosa se haga!!!

20:00:10 [Verónica] Creo que el tiempo se acaba, Joaquín al rato te mandamos mensaje al tel de Mauricio

20:00:10 csmith exits from this room

20:00:29 [Verónica] Buenas noches a todos, un beso y un abrazo con Amor

20:00:33 [renatta] Ha sido un gran placer compartir con Ustedes, ha sido un momento de centro magnético impresionante.

20:01:01 [jorge] pudieran porfavor repetir mi pregunta a Russell acerca de como reconocer la presencia del cuerpo astral?

20:01:02 [thedog] I appologize to everyone, I lost connection at 6:31 and haven’t been here to answer any of your wonderful question. Perhaps I will have better luck next week.

20:01:06 [enrique] buenas noches a todos

20:01:14 [azavala] lindam> DICE.- EN EL MAR Y SENTIR MI CUERPO Y MIS EMOCIONES.- ESTOY MAS CERCA DEL DIEZ AHORA

20:01:35 [renatta] Me parece incríble y son de las cosas que me asombran todavía, saber que en estos momentos estamos reunidos y estamos aquí y ahora sin importar idioma y distancia, gracias a todos

20:01:46 [mauricio] Verónica> te acabdo de timbrar a tu tel para que tengas mi tel de merida

20:02:15 [lindam] Gracias, Thank you

20:02:15 [MigueAngel] Rennata asks: how to externally consider someone that is in himself and inner considering and that he ies using like a blackmaling? usually I become passive and judgemental.

20:02:42 [thedog]>[MigueAngel] I missed the last half hour of the chat. I lost connection and just got it back.

20:02:47 [azavala] thedog> RUSS DICE.- UNA DISCULPA, PERDI LA CONEXION A LAS 6.31 Y NO HE ESTADO AQUI PARA RESPONDER A SUS MARAVILLOSAS PREGUNTAS.- QUIZAS TENDRE MEJOR SUERTE LA PROXIMA SEMANA.

20:03:22 [claudia] Gracias a todos por hacer posible estos momentos de compartir. Besos y abrazos fraternales para todos. Hasta la próxima.

20:03:56 [joaquin] reciban todos un abrazo con atencion ,intencion y presencia

20:03:57 [Cristina] thedog> Love and kisses for you and Pamela, see you soon!!

20:03:58 enrique exits from this room

20:04:05 [azavala] CSMITH SE DESPIDIO.- BUENAS NOCHES, QUERIDOS AMIGOS, LOS AMO A TODOS

20:04:14 [MigueAngel] Cristina says: making massive efforts there are not spaces for negative emotions!!! neither for states of depresion or sadnes… etc.

20:04:18 [thedog] renatta> Don’t allow yourself to be blackmailed! But understand man’s sleep.

20:05:13 [mauricio] Me despido de todos, con amor

20:05:23 [thedog] DONG DONG Time for today is gone. See you all next week. Maybe even more of us

20:05:56 [Cristina] Besos a todos, nos vemos pronto!!!

20:06:11 [azavala] thedog> renatta.- NO TE PERMITAS A TI MISMA ESTAR ANULADA.- EN SU LUGAR, ENTIENDE EL SUEÑO DEL HOMBRE

20:07:09 [jorge] les agradezco a todos por su compartir , hasta pronto.

20:07:11 [azavala] thedog> RUSS DICE QUE ES TIEMPO DE IRNOS. NOS VERA LA PROXIMA SEMANA. PUEDE SER QUE INCLUSO MAS DE NOSOTROS.

20:08:05 [Cristina] joaquin> Te mando muchos besos y abrazos, espero hablarte pronto

20:08:13 [azavala] HAVE A DELICIOUS WEEKEND FRIENDS.- TENGAN UN MAGNIFICO FIN DE SEMANA.- ADIOS.

20:08:27 azavala exits from this room

20:09:20 [Verónica] joaquin te veo mañana en donde te recogimos cuando fui por ti

20:11:19 [Cristina] Verónica>

20:11:26 [Verónica] Joaquin me puedes contestar please

20:11:30 [renatta] Joaquín te vemos en el wings del aeropuerto, confirma si podemos estwr contigo un rato antes de que partas a Vallarte

England/America

15:58:29 [thedog] Best Moments

15:59:32 [bubbles] greetings all. Jonny

15:59:36 [thedog] stevew> Steve, my phone connection has been erratic, if I get disconnected…stand in for me till I can get back.

16:00:05 [stevew] thedog> Ok. I did notice you were having problems.

16:00:12 [thedog] jperrott> JP, my phone connection has been erratic, if I get disconnected…stand in for me till I can get back.

16:01:17 [jperrott] stevew> You were his first choice – why not carry on?

16:01:40 [thedog] Best Moments

16:01:54 [detha] thedog> Hi… my first chat…

16:02:07 [stevew] My best moment was just being with my parents this weekend.

16:02:15 [thedog] jperrott> He was my first choice cause you weren’t here yet

16:02:34 [jperrott] My best moment was yesterday, in class! Tony always asks his own questions – rather than the questions that “should be” asked! 🙂

16:02:55 [thedog] detha> Hi Detha. Post your Best Moment please.

16:03:09 [sarah] Hi there all

16:03:16 [thedog] Tony> Way to go Tony!

16:03:19 [jperrott] thedog> Law of accident!

16:03:21 [detha] One of my best moments was when Kenny S. said he saw a change in me… I wasn’t so caustic.

16:03:55 [thedog] stevew> Presence was present with your parents?

16:04:22 [detha] I walked outside this morning and saw that the cannis I had planted is starting to sprout… humbling there striving to become what they are meant to be.

16:04:41 [stevew] thedog> Yes … and they were responding, so it became “more” for all of us.

16:04:46 [Tony] thedog> Best Moment: J.P’s. answers to my questions in class

16:05:50 [thedog] Tony> great! Can you share for our benefit? What was the question and what was the answer, if it is sharable

16:06:36 [thedog] stevew> Great Steve, A true sign of a good man…

16:06:43 [jperrott] detha> Do you mean that he thought you weren’t so caustic – or you actually weren’t so caustic as usual? 😉

16:07:19 [thedog] Who else is holding out on their Best Moments

16:07:43 [sarah] thedog> BM=the momentum of D O N.No more pergatory.Inexactitudes are recognised and doubled.

16:08:26 [detha] Gee, John… not sure. It sounded like he perceived a change in my Being from the way it had manifested when he was here before… something about me not being “up his nose”?

16:08:47 [Tony] thedog> The question was about gaining an understanding of what we are trying to do in the work.

16:08:58 [thedog] sarah> Yee-haw Sarah. Double, like you need twice as much

16:09:32 [jperrott] detha> Then I suggest you asked him – if it was a B.M! 🙂 Build your house on a rock – eh?

16:10:23 [thedog] jperrott> Just don’t build your house in Iraq

16:10:35 [stephen] good afternoon.

16:10:40 [detha] Not sure what you mean, my friend… but I KNOW I am working on myself and have made changes….

16:11:03 [Tony] thedog> The answer lead me to see certain things in the 3 storey diagram

16:11:12 [jperrott] stephen> Evenin’ sir!

16:11:23 [stephen] my best moment was friday night when i came home, got out of my car, there was a crisp breeze and the full moon was lighting up the entire sky

16:11:27 [thedog] stephen, bubbles, kenny BEST MOMENTS

16:11:41 [stephen] and i just felt my “here”ness

16:11:45 [sarah] jperrott> Hi JP.How are you?

16:11:55 [stephen] it was a good 10

16:12:25 [jperrott] sarah> You know what – I’m universal!

16:12:53 [stephen] and also looking at russell’s chart of the universe and various scales of space blown up, it really reminded me of my nothingness

16:13:08 [sarah] jperrott> yes-all according to the principle of scale…………

16:13:15 [jperrott] sarah> …and, in your own considered experience, how are you?

16:13:46 [sarah] jperrott> very well thankyou

16:14:42 [thedog] To those who have shared their best moments , can I assist you in answering any of your questions?

16:14:48 [kenny] BM. Sensing the group presence in class this a.m. Dynamic. All here seem to have made ground.

16:14:54 [jperrott] bubbles> HI there, Bubbles duality.

16:15:11 [stephen] detha> hi detha! looks like james got you connected?

16:15:45 [sarah] jperrott> When may I rcieve the second part of D o N?

16:16:14 [detha] Yes,,, I will be able to join in more… Like Russell’s story… “Is it a good thing or a bad thing?”

16:17:00 [thedog] HECTOR> Hello Hector Lopez, our newest Fool-Being. Have you been hugging you wife

16:17:06 [detha] HECTOR! How great to hear you are here! How are you?

16:17:07 [bubbles] My best was a non-philosophical conversation with Ken on the basics of The Work. Jon

16:17:38 [bubbles] jperrott> greetings brother! Jon

16:17:50 [detha] John… What is a BM?

16:18:16 [stephen] thedog> do you remember the memory work i did in class?

16:18:17 [bubbles] HECTOR> Hola Hector! Jon W.

16:18:40 [thedog] stephen> Fourth Way…wasn’t it?

16:18:43 [jperrott] bubbles> dethaI think it’s American for “Best Moment”!

16:19:09 [bubbles] detha> BM bowel movement or best moment? sometimes the same!

16:19:17 [stephen] thedog> i meant to ask if that was a good desription of “Nothing”? the last sentence is “He has practically nothing, but enough to develop”

16:19:20 [HECTOR] HELLO RUSS, YES IHAVE BEEN DOING MY HOMEWORK.

16:19:28 [thedog] stephen> Yes I remember it.

16:19:29 [kenny] There is a 15 foot long chart of oscillations on the wall here. It has yielded some stuff, but loads more to come.

16:19:52 [Tony] thedog> What ‘state of I’ and Man number, does a Demiurge(Angel) and a Cosmic Individual (Arch-Angel) represent?

16:20:51 [thedog] stephen> YES!

16:21:13 [stephen] thedog> yay!

16:21:19 [thedog] Tony> Very high states

16:22:11 [thedog] HECTOR> How is your state? Are you still awake?

16:24:52 [sarah] jperrott> Yes.I am finding the momentum of D o N,tireless.

16:25:34 [thedog] Tony> If we had to connect their states to Man #1-7, thes since Angels connect to kesdjan body and Arc Angles to higher being body…Angles would be a result of man# 5 and Arch Angles, #6.

16:25:35 [HECTOR] YES I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO THE i AM EXERICE AND THE OBJECTIVE PRIOR

16:26:37 [thedog] HECTOR> Fantastic. How is Carmen? Do you sit and now just be silent together?

16:27:04 [sarah] jperrott> Sorry Dad.I dont understand your metaphor

16:27:07 [stephen] thedog> in that analogy, what is #7… a son of god?

16:28:08 [jperrott] thedog> On this land, we used to have battles between Angles and Saxons! The Saxons actually won – but everyone became an Angel!

16:28:48 [thedog] I love the Brit wit.

16:29:10 [HECTOR] YES AND I ALSO SHARE ALL MY EXPERIENCE IN SANGER WITH HER

16:29:25 [kenny] What about us half wits ?

16:29:52 [stevew] kenny> We half wits need to double ourselves.

16:30:17 [kenny] stevew> Neat !!

16:30:21 [jperrott] stevew> Superb!

16:30:34 [stevew] kenny> Then, perhaps, we’ll lose the half we have and become real idiots.

16:30:47 [sarah] jperrott> hehheheheheh!!!

16:31:32 [thedog] stephen> Definitely feeling the completing principle, yes.

16:32:17 [kenny] BM. Seeing a photo of James’ bride -to- be. A real beauty.

16:32:23 [thedog] HECTOR> BEST MOMENT

16:32:23 [stephen] thedog> i’m not sure i understand

16:36:20 [thedog] stephen> Yes, someone who is in the TI-DO interval (a man #6, who has moved beyond the LA-TI interval) will feel the DO – the completion of the octave (God)…so sounds like, sons of God are soon to be #7’s to me.

16:38:54 [sarah] jperrott> I remember some years ago, in reaction to a recognition that the way others were doing ‘it’-wasnt very intelligent and didnt seem to make them very happy; looking for a formula that would strengthen me in the face of apparent adversity.

16:39:54 [sarah] jperrott> The result was the realisation that one would need to be able to embrace all.

16:40:48 [sarah] jperrott> But I couldnt do that because for one I could not do-and two I didnt have a cohesive understanding of what ‘all’ was.

16:41:18 [detha] I couldn’t embrace all until I had emptied myself of a lot of Detha… then it is wonderful.

16:41:58 [thedog] HECTOR> We have cahnged our weekly chat with Mexico to Saturday at 6 PM, so there will be no one there tonight at 9 PM. Hope you got my e-mail about it and the forwarded e-mails.

16:43:49 [sarah] jperrott> To know means to know all.To know a part of something means not to know.It is not difficult to know all,because in order to know all one has to know very little.But in order to know this little one has to know preety much.So we have to start with this pretty much with the idea of coming

16:43:50 [HECTOR] Yes Russ I did. Thank you very much,

16:44:14 [sarah] jperrott> ……………..to this very little which is neccessary for the knowledge of all.

16:44:49 [HECTOR] Do I have to register again.

16:45:08 [sarah] detha> yes.Thankyou

16:45:53 [stephen] Psalms 82:6 “I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the Most High.”

16:45:58 [jperrott] sarah> Indeed!

16:47:03 [stephen] mom has this cool old testament guide with an index to look stuff up. i just looked up “Sons of God”

16:47:08 [jperrott] stephen> Nice quotation! Given that, isn’t it astonishing that the Hinus have been labelled “pantheistists”?

16:47:18 [stephen]

16:47:47 [jperrott] stephen> Sorry – Hindus.

16:48:03 [stephen] jperrott> good point

16:49:13 [thedog] Teachers and Students, any more questions…?

16:49:35 [jperrott] stephen> I guess the criticism was part of the colonial diminishment of the Vedas (the core of Indian faith).

16:50:29 [detha] I don’t know the spelling… the language of Christ.

16:50:39 [sarah] thedog> Does Pamela come to this chat room?

16:51:56 [jperrott] thedog> Actually, as far as is knowable, he spoke Jewish.

16:52:48 [Tony] thedog> Are the 9 movements linked with the increasing number of laws we come under?

16:53:07 [thedog] sarah> We only have one computer, so no. She is in the kitchen but would jump in if required.

16:53:25 [detha] I don’t know but the translation Frank gives is beautiful and in complete accord with the Work.

16:54:03 [stephen] aramaic?err… jperrott

16:54:13 [stephen] oops

16:54:24 [stephen] jperrott> err… aramaic?

16:54:38 [detha] Yes… I believe so.

16:55:24 [jperrott] stephen> I wrote “Aramaic” that way only to indicate the pronunciation.

16:55:25 [bubbles] jperrott> One theory is that JC spoke Aramaic.

16:55:38 [thedog] Tony> If you are asking about the nine movements moving in the xmas work song, then no. 9 movements represents how many diffetent directions you are moving at the same time.

16:55:47 [kenny] Tony> Sure is !

16:57:14 [jperrott] kenny> bubbles Indeed he did – according to the experts.

16:57:52 [jperrott] bubbles> Indeed he did – according to the experts.

16:58:21 [jperrott] kenny> Sorry Kenny baby – the last was for Jonny!

16:58:43 [thedog] 1 move on the earth. 2 earth rotates. 3 earth-moon wobble. 4 orbit around sun. 5 orbit around galaxy. 6 galaxy moves within local group of galaxies. 7 local group moves with super local group. 8 super local group moves in universe. 9 universe is moving. Makes you dizzy, doesn’t it

17:00:01 [jperrott] Tony> I hope you’ll find the 9 movements in your Xmas Work-song book.

17:00:07 [Tony] thedog> We have an average direction though

17:00:17 [sarah] thedog> not so dizzying in the middle

17:00:54 [jperrott] Tony> Yes! Let us know when you’ve done the maths!

17:01:23 [sarah] jperrott> I love you master of the Universe

17:01:35 [stephen] jperrott> it makes sense that he knew jewish too since he knew the law so well

17:01:58 [stephen] eh, i’m not a language expert

17:02:07 [thedog] DONG DONG…the time for our chat has expired. Thanks for participating. See you all next week

17:02:17 [kenny] When Jupiter and Saturn line up we may expect an influx of asteroids. Soon. Within 1000 years.

17:02:21 [jperrott] stephen> Indeed and, as he is reported as saying, that’s what he st out to fulfill!

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