June 10, 11 & 12, 2006

[Russell Smith]

12:06:33 [james] BEST MOMENTS!

12:06:49 [AZAVALA] james> SUS MEJORES MOMENTOS.

12:07:33 [Verónica] Uno de mis mejores momentos fue el miércoles, al ver la película "Ahora que #&% sabes… continua"

12:07:58 [jorge] Hola buenas tardes a todos ,mi mejor momento fue hace rato al poder arreglarmelas para estar en este chat. Ya que es hora de labores y me la cambiaron .

12:08:00 [chris] mi mejor momento de la semana fue ayer en donde hubo un mal entendido con unas personas y pude detener a la máquina y poder aplicar un ejercicio que me llevo a la paz interna para despues poder hablar tranquilamente

12:08:02 [Verónica] Otro momento fue ayer al estar viendo la película "Desayuno en Plutón"

12:08:20 [renatta] Un mejor momento fue ayer con mi Mama me propuse estar en condiciòn de 8 y escucharla dàndole lo suyo, creando condiciones sin consideraciòn interna para que ambas ganaramos.

12:08:44 [mariana] Mi mejor momento fue el dia de hoy al leventarme y los ejercicios que me impuse intencionalmente,esto me mantiene en un estado de disposicion para trabajar conmigo misma .

12:08:45 [juanpablo] mi mejor momento fue el miercoles en la reunion

12:08:58 [alejandra] Verónica:One of my best moments was on Wednesday, to see the movie "Now what #&% do we know… continued"

12:09:46 [alejandra] jorge: Hello, good afternoon to all, my best moment was just a few minutes before I come to the chat. This time is a time for work and they change.

12:11:28 [alejandra] chris> My best moment of the week was yesterday when there was a misunderstanding with some people an dI stop the machine and I apply an exercise that brought me to peace in myself and then later I can talk very slowly, very quietly.

12:11:59 [alejandra] Verónica: Other best moment was yesterday when I was watching the movie "Breakfast on Pluto."

12:12:58 [alejandra] renatta> One best moment was yesterday with my Mama I decide to be the position of 8 and listen her, giving her her due, and I create conditions without inner consideration so both of us win.

12:14:03 [alejandra] mariana: My best moment was today when I wake up and I did the exercises that I gave myself intentionally, and this brings me to a conducive state to working on myself.

12:14:21 [alejandra] juanpablo: My best moment was Wednesday at the meeting.

12:14:48 thedog enters this room

12:15:26 [thedog] Hola

12:15:59 [jorge]>[thedog] Hola Russell.how are you?

12:16:09 [AZAVALA] HELLO, HELLO!!!!

12:16:30 [thedog]>[jorge] very well sir

12:16:33 [Verónica] Hola precioso… cómo entender el af. 25: Recuerde que aquí el trabajo no es por el trabajo mismo sino un medio…

12:17:11 [alejandra] Verónica: Hello, my precious… how can I understand Aphorism #25: Remember the work is not for work’s sake, but is only a means.

12:17:24 [alejandra]>[thedog] I have the translation, gracias.

12:18:19 [renatta] Perspectivas desde el mundo real p`g. 134… " Cuando decimos separarse a sì mismo de sì mismo" queremos decir que la mente deberìa separarse de la esecia"… ¿còmo puedo Trabajar conmigo misma para que se de esa separaciòn?.

12:19:27 [mariana] Hola,las impresiones generan energia?

12:20:35 [alejandra] renatta: In "Views from the Real World", page 134… "When we say "Separate yourself from yourself" we want to say that it is that the mind will be separate from the essence"… How can I work on myself to give me that separation?

12:20:50 [alejandra] mariana: Hello, the impressions generate eneergy?

12:21:32 [thedog] Verónica> Remember that work (referring to physical work of a group — people building a barn together, etc). It is not about building the barn (for the sake of having a place to keep the hay) but about the inner work people have to do to work together. School groups do projects, but it is not ..

12:21:45 [jorge] Si se divide la atencion y se reciben impresiones , no importando las impresiones que sean no se pierde energia?

12:22:12 [juanpablo] en cuarto camino habla de que el trabajo no se ejerce por falta de energia! el dialogo interno es falta de energia ?

12:22:36 [thedog] Verónica> about the projects, it is a means ( a way) to cause inner work to be available ( having to bear the manifestations of others. so ….

12:23:10 [alejandra] jorge: If you divide your attention and receive impressions, it doesn’t matter which impression you receive as you will not loss energy?

12:24:06 [thedog] Verónica> Remember that building a barn is not for the sake of the barn being built, but for the means of having people work together and see frictions in themselves)

12:24:38 [alejandra] juanpablo: In the Fourth Way, he says that you do not do the work because you do not have the energy! The inner dialogue is the reason you do not have energy?

12:25:22 [AZAVALA] thedog> Verónica.- RECUERDA QUE TRABAJAR (REFERIDO AL TRABAJO FÌSICO DE UN GRUPO — GENTE CONSTRUYENDO UN GRANERO JUNTOS, ETC.) NO SE TRATA ACERCA DE CONSTRUIR UN GRANERO (POR TENER UN LUGAR PARA MANTENER EL HENO), SINO ACERCA DEL TRABAJO INTERIOR QUE LA GENTE TIENE QUE HACER AL TRABAJAR JUNTOS.

12:26:35 [thedog] renatta> Take the impressions that come in and try to see them as someone elses impressions — not yours. This way they will be separate from you and you won’t identify with them.

12:26:49 [thedog] jorge> yes

12:26:54 [AZAVALA] LOS PROYECTOS DE LA ESCUELA, NO TRATAN ACERCA DE LOS PROYECTO, SINO QUE SON UN MEDIO (UNA MANERA) PARA LOGRAR QUE EL TRABAJO INTERIOR SEA ACCESIBLE (TOLERANDO LAS MANIFESTACIONES DE LOS DEMAS, ETC.

12:28:10 [thedog] juanpablo> yes. inner dialog results in emotions and then we give energy to those emotions.

12:28:12 [AZAVALA] thedog> Verónica.- RECUERDA QUE CONSTRUIR UN GRANERO NO ES PARA EL BENEFICIO DEL GRANERO AL SER CONSTRUIDO, SINO QUE SON LOS MEDIOS DE TENER A LA GENTE TRABAJANDO JUNTA Y VER LAS FRICCIONES EN ELLOS MISMOS.

12:29:32 [AZAVALA] thedog> renatta.- TOMA LAS IMPRESIONES QUE ENTRAN Y TRATA DE VERLAS COMO LAS IMPRESIONES DE ALGUIEN MÀS –NO LAS TUYAS–. DE ESTA MANERA ELLAS ESTARÀN SEPARADAS DE TI Y NO TE IDENTIFICARÀS CON ELLAS.

12:29:41 [AZAVALA] thedog> jorge.- SÌ.

12:29:41 [Verónica] En Great Amwell House, 4 enero 1947, dice: "Se dijo hace poco que no habría que hacer cosa alguna negativamente" y también dice líneas adelante "El Trabajo nos está siempre tentando y así nos hace negativos. La tentación es dudar del fin.", cómo entenderlo?

12:30:28 [AZAVALA] thedog> juanpablo.- SÌ, EL DIALOGO INTERIOR DA LUGAR A EMOCIONES Y ENTONCES DAMOS ENERGÌA A ESAS EMOCIONES.

12:31:40 [juanpablo] que diferencia hay entre la unificacion de todos los ( yoes ) y la unificacion de todos los centroas?

12:32:18 [juanpablo] y la unificacion de todos los centros?

12:33:11 [renatta] Perspectivas…pàg.138: "El Instituto es el medio. Fuera del Instituto es posible querer y ser; pero aquì es posible ser capaz. Por lo tanto hay 3 periodos:querer,ser capaz y ser. ¿que debo entender por "ser capaz"?.

12:33:48 [mariana] como puedo entender de una manera correcta la idea del perdon hacia mi misma y hacia los demas ?

12:34:12 [alejandra] Verónica> In Nicoll’s Commentaries, Great Amwell House, January 4, 1947, he says, "Before you will not do anything with any negative part" and also in other lines before he says "The Work always tempts us and then makes us negative. The temptation is doubt about the end" How can I understand this?

12:34:43 [alejandra] juanpablo: What is the difference between the unification of all of our eyes and the unification of all of our centers?

12:36:52 [thedog] Verónica> Man without an enneagram that allows him to see the end result will hesitate. Uncertainity is fertile ground for negativeness.

12:38:49 [alejandra] renatta: In Views, page 138, "The Institute is the way. Out from the Institute, it is possible to wish and be; but here it is possible to be capable. For instance, there are three periods; to wish, to be capable, and to be." How may I understand "to be capable"?

12:39:22 [AZAVALA] thedog> Verónica.- UN HOMBRE SIN UN ENEAGRAMA QUE LE PERMITE VER EL RESULTADO FINAL DUDARÀ. LA INCERTIDUMBRE ES CAMPO FERTIL PARA LA NEGATIVIDAD.

12:39:30 [alejandra] mariana: How can I understand in the correct way the idea to have forgiveness, to forgive myself and for others?

12:40:01 [thedog] juanpablo> I’s are found in centers, so it is the same thing. Unification is unification. Like a manufacturing plant with different sections. The workers (I’s) in each section must work together … then the different sections (centers) must work as one.

12:40:42 [alejandra]>[thedog] This is from Enrique – He gives his apologies for not being here. He is working and he sends his regards to everyone and wanted to let you know this.

12:41:32 [jorge] Cuando detenemos el dialogo interior con la intencion de recordarnos u observarnos estamos en la parte intelectual del centro intelectual o del centro motriz?

12:41:41 [thedog] renatta> Doing your exercises makes you capable. It is the skills that you need for the job.

12:42:12 [AZAVALA] thedog> juanpablo.- LOS YOES SE ENCUENTRAN EN LOS CENTROS, ASÌ QUE ES LA MISMA COSA. UNIFICACIÒN ES UNIFICACIÒN. ES COMO UNA PLANTA MANUFACTURERA CON DIFERENTES SECCIONES. LOS TRABAJADORES (YOES) EN CADA SECCIÒN DEBEN TRABAJAR JUNTOS…ENTONCES LAS DIFERENTES SECCIONES (CENTROS) DEBEN TRABAJAR

12:42:15 [thedog]>[alejandra] Tell him I love him

12:42:16 [AZAVALA] COMO UNO SOLO.

12:42:27 [alejandra] jorge: When we have the inner dialog with the intention of remembering and observing ourselves, this is in the intellectual part of the intellectual center or in the moving center?

12:42:38 [Verónica] En el ejercicio de la "Postura incómoda", para desarrollar el Mayordomo Suplente, se tiene que llevar a cabo toda la lectura en una postura incómoda?

12:43:22 [AZAVALA] thedog> renatta.- HACER TUS EJERCICIOS TE HACE MÀS CAPAZ. SON LAS HABILIDADES QUE NECESITAS PARA EL TRABAJO.

12:43:33 [renatta] thedog> ¿Puedes abundar al respecto de que la Escuela no puede hacer adullta a la gente, que èsta tiene que serlo antes de venir a la Escuela y que los que estàn en ella deben ser adultos y adultos no en la esencia sino en la mente.

12:44:18 [alejandra] Verónica: In the exercise of "Uncomfortable Postures", to build the Deputy Steward, you need to give all of the reading in the uncomfortable posture?

12:45:13 [jorge] En este chat se puede hablar de los ej. Maestros?

12:45:28 [thedog] mariana> Remember that most manifestations come from sleep. Like from a dog who doesn’t know any better and chews your shoe … you forgive him and don’t hold accounts — he is a dog! Try to see people like that. They cannot do! I don’t hold them or myself to blame.

12:46:21 [alejandra] renatta: thedog> Can youplease talk more in respect to the School cannot make an person an adult, I needed to be an adult before I came to the School and the people that are in the School need to be adults and adults are not in the essence but in the mind.

12:46:45 [alejandra] jorge: In this chat, can we talk about Master Exercises?

12:48:07 [thedog] jorge> Could be either or wishes from another center. What is important is that we have that wish and try often to remember and observe ourselves. Real observation comes from higher centers but until we have that, any I who wishes to work and observe is a good I.

12:48:54 [AZAVALA] thedog> mariana.- RECUERDA QUE LA MAYORÌA DE LAS MANIFESTACIONES VIENEN DEL SUEÑO. ES COMO UN PERRO QUE NO SABE NADA MEJOR Y MASTICA TUS ZAPATOS…TÙ LO PERDONAS Y NO GUARDAS CUENTAS — ES UN PERRO!!. TRATA DE VER A LA GENTE ASÌ. ELLOS NO PUEDEN HACER!!! NO LOS CULPO A ELLOS O A MI MISMO.

12:50:27 [thedog] Verónica> Just take an uncomfortable posture. When you begin to hurt, you can talk to the body and tell it it need to help you in your work, then stop the uncomfortable posture and tell the changing sensations that they need to remind you of the work.

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12:51:23 [AZAVALA] thedog> jorge.- PUEDEN SER AMBOS O DESEOS DESDE OTRO CENTRO. LO QUE ES IMPORTANTE ES QUE TENEMOS ESE DESEO Y TRATAMOS CON FRECUENCIA DE RECORDAR Y OBSERVARNOS A NOSOTROS MISMOS. LA OBSERVACIÒN REAL VIENE DE LOS CENTROS SUPERIORES, PERO HASTA QUE TENGAMOS ESO, CUALQUIER YO QUE DESEA TRABAJAR Y

12:51:30 [AZAVALA] OBSERVAR ES UN BUEN YO.

12:53:34 [thedog] renatta> Adult means mature in oneself. Serious about work. Not for play results like a child but for real results. So being an adult simply means to have a proper (grown up) attitude towards work. It is not about fun and games… but serious work.

12:53:50 [AZAVALA] thedog> Verónica.- SÒLO TOMA UNA POSTURA INCOMODA. CUANDO EMPIECE A LASTIMAR, PUEDES HABLARLE AL CUERPO Y DECIRLE QUE NECESITA AYUDARTE EN TU TRABAJO, ENTONCES DETEN LA POSTURA INCOMODA Y DILE A LAS SENSACIONES QUE CAMBIARON QUE ELLAS NECESITAN RECORDARTE EL TRABAJO.

12:54:43 [thedog] jorge> No, for the caht can be viewed by anyone who has the web address and Master exercises are only for those who have recieved them.

12:56:31 [mariana] la falsa personalidad se refiere especificamente a emociones negativas ?

12:56:39 [AZAVALA] thedog> renatta.- SER ADULTO SIGNIFICA MADUREZ EN UNO MISMO. SERIEDAD EN RELACIÒN CON EL TRABAJO. NO PARA JUGAR CON LOS RESULTADOS COMO UN NIÑO, SINO PARA RESULTADOS REALES. DE MANERA QUE SER UN ADULTO SIMPLEMENTE SIGNIFICA TENER UNA ACTITUD APROPIADA HACIA EL TRABAJO (ADULTA). NO SE TRATA DE

12:56:50 [AZAVALA] DIVERSIÒN Y JUEGOS….SINO DE TRABAJO SERIO.

12:57:08 [alejandra] mariana: The false personality refers specfically to negative emotions?

12:57:36 [Verónica] Cuál es el objetivo del ejercicio "chi"?

12:57:55 [alejandra] Verónica: What is the objective of the Chi exercise?

12:58:58 [AZAVALA] thedog> jorge.- NO, PORQUE EL CHAT PUEDE SER VISTO POR CUALQUIERA QUE TENGA LA DIRECCIÒN WEB. LOS EJERCICIOS MAESTROS SON SÒLO PARA AQUELLOS QUE LOS HAN RECIBIDO.

12:59:46 [thedog] mariana> False personality is wrong knowledge. It is that simple. Personality is right knowledge. Cat is spelled cat, that is personality. Black cats are bad luck, is false personality.

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13:00:27 [thedog] Verónica> to take one small impression and allow it to become hgher.

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13:01:50 [thedog] Ding Ding Ding …… Great hour of chat. Thanks for being here. It was great to see you all in Vallarta. See you all again next week.

13:02:06 [juanpablo] thanks russ

13:02:07 [AZAVALA] thedog> mariana.- LA FALSA PERSONALIDAD ES EL CONOCIMIENTO EQUIVOCADO. ES ASÌ DE SENCILLO. LA PERSONALIDAD ES EL CONOCIMIENTO CORRECTO. GATO SE DELETREA GATO, ESO ES PERSONALIDAD. LOS GATOS NEGROS SON DE MALA SUERTE…ESO ES FALSA PERSONALIDAD.

13:02:17 [thedog] Love to everyone –THE DOG

13:02:30 [Veronique] Gracias… thedog, alejandra, james y alfonso..

13:02:31 [jorge] Hasta pronto y gracias a Russell y a todos por compartir la enseñanza.

13:02:41 [juanpablo] gracias a todos

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13:02:53 [Veronique] Que tengan todos un maravilloso fin de semana, nos vemos el lunes en el chat con Alex y James

13:02:59 [AZAVALA] thedog> Verónica.- TOMAR UNA IMPRESIÒN PEQUEÑA Y PERMITIRLE HACERSE MÀS ALTA.

13:03:02 [mariana] gracias thedog,a todos por este chat

13:03:18 [alejandra] jorge: See you soon and thanks to Russell and to all for sharing the work.

13:03:25 [alejandra] juanpablo: Thanks to all

13:03:45 [alejandra] Veronique: Have a very good weekend and see you on the chat on Monday with Alex and James

13:03:48 [AZAVALA] thedog> DING, DING, DING…..GRAN HORA DEL CHAT. GRACIAS POR ESTAR AQUÌ. FUE MARAVILLOSO VERLOS EN PUERTO VALLARTA. LOS VERÈ DE NUEVO LA PRÒXIMA SEMANA.

13:04:02 [alejandra] mariana: Thanks THEDOG and all for the chat

13:04:05 [AZAVALA] thedog> LOS AMO A TODOS– EL PERRO.

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13:04:19 [renatta] Gracias por compartir, hasta pronto!!!!!!!!!!

13:04:26 [james] Hasta Luego Mis Amigos en El Trabajo!

13:04:39 [alejandra] renatta: Thanks for sharing, see you soon!!!

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13:05:10 [AZAVALA] HAVE A HAPPY WEEKEND!!! TENGAN UN FELIZ FIN DE SEMANA.- BY,BY!!!

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15:53:07 [thedog] Best Moments

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15:56:31 [thedog] Practicing Opposite Postures while I wait ….

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15:57:02 gary enters this room

15:57:32 [gary] Hello mr dog!

15:57:52 [thedog] Hello gary

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16:00:54 [gary] Bm’s a deepening of relations between myself and Aisha.

16:01:18 [thedog] gary> Way to go

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16:03:17 [thedog] jperrott> Hola Senior … How is Richard doing? Splendid, I am sure.

16:03:22 [gary] Hello John

16:03:58 [jperrott] thedog> Richard’s name is Mike – and he appears to be doing fine thanks!

16:04:31 [jperrott] thedog> …if you mean the guy who’s about to start his I.J.

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16:04:34 [thedog] jperrott> Oh yea … Mike. That’s the one.

16:05:25 [jperrott] thedog> Otherwise, Richard is also doing fine and has decided that it would be good to do what he’s told – rather than interpret guidance.

16:05:46 [thedog] jperrott> Neato

16:06:15 [alison] BM Seeing that The Fourth Way is a Way Of Life and not something to ‘bolt onto’ another way of living

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16:06:24 [jperrott] thedog> How are you doing?

16:06:45 [scrivs] Nang!

16:07:28 [alison] BM Having it as a way of life means that one moves through it quickly and does not get caught up in odd pockets of space time

16:07:56 [gary] Bm When I remember – I remember that I am not these functions, starting with the five senses – this helps me to relax and find inner silence

16:08:04 [scrivs] alison> That was to have been my line! The 4th Way is a way of life……

16:08:08 [thedog] jperrott> Very well. Mexico went fantastically. Have students incomming starting next weekend … straight through till October. Guess I will need to bone up on the Cosmic secrets tapes.

16:08:17 [gary] alison> Hello Alison

16:08:47 [jperrott] thedog> There’s a set in our bed-sitter!

16:09:01 [alison] thedog I recommend them….

16:09:20 [alison] gary> Hi Gary

16:10:19 [scrivs] BM. X2 Moments when conscience kicked , and reminded me of former intentions.

16:10:32 [thedog] Has Mike (aka Ruchard) started the book yet, and if so, what chapter are you (he) on?

16:10:51 [jperrott] thedog> As I believe I’ve told you, Richard likes to "put himself about"!

16:11:45 [alison] BM Having spent time every day with my mother last week and seeing that she now has the tools to be self-reliant I could close the door on that chapter and drive away into the sunset

16:13:26 [alison] BM Being with the Northern Outpost for a meeting last week and seeing the enthusiasm and raw potential in everyone present was a gift

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16:13:44 [scrivs] bm.Hearing the notion that deputy stewardS may well have to be ‘press-ganged ‘ into service.

16:13:46 [thedog] scrivs> Good for you … cleans out the tear ducts.

16:13:55 [jperrott] thedog> No, not yet. He arrived today. Studies commence tomorrow.

16:14:28 [delongh@ma] hi everyone

16:14:40 [thedog] jperrott> Ah, very good. Pass on my best wishes that he remain a sponge.

16:14:49 [alison] delongh@ma> Good evening

16:14:55 [thedog] delongh@ma> Hello Richard

16:15:04 [jperrott] delongh@ma> Evening Richard, how the devil are you?

16:15:38 [delongh@ma] BM Seeing how 1296 was the big clue to 279936

16:16:12 [thedog] delongh@ma> There you go. Congratulations

16:18:05 [alison] thedog> Has Sheri settled in well?

16:18:46 [thedog] alison> Yes, she said today that its like she’s always lived here.

16:19:01 [alison] thedog> Excellent

16:20:53 [scrivs] Thanx.

16:21:18 [thedog] alison> Marianne comes in this week, 18th, so we will have a full house. Also, Alexey is in this weekend. He rented a car from the airport and (although it took him 1 hr 45 min to make the drive (only the third time he has ever driven) he made it safe and sound.

16:21:32 [jperrott] scrivs> Snow problem!

16:21:59 [alison] BM Being alive seems to be a continuous best moment with the odd glitch when the heat takes the upper hand (we are having a heat wave and tis a tad hot without AC

16:22:09 [thedog] Any other Best Moments?

16:22:21 [gary] thedog> Our physical body consists of matter ? – matter consists of atoms? – atoms consist of electrons and a nucleus which move about? – Does our physical body stay intact due to our consciousness?

16:22:23 [scrivs] jperrott> ‘Harnel’ yielded nothing v. useful .Just that ‘the rare earths fill that gap in the table of elements.

16:22:51 [alison] thedog> Excellent – is Marianne visiting or making the move?

16:23:08 [thedog] alison> If I was there I could cool you off, cause I’m your biggest fan.

16:23:24 [scrivs] thedog> Noticing changes in the practise of the 6 pt ex. Connexions.

16:23:35 [alison] thedog> Oooh – you big lug you

16:24:29 [thedog] alison> Making the move. has to get her visa here or wait 1 year if she goes to germany to get it. So, surprise, she will bee here soon. carmen salena is comming with here and plans to stay several months.

16:25:25 [thedog] Any other Best Moments?

16:26:21 [scrivs] thedog> Do you have any definition of @harnel’ , since it is common to two well-known words?

16:26:26 [alison] BM Couldn’t find a fan for the Student’s room and without a thought I jumped in the car to go to Su’s house to get one (she is away) – the needs of the student outweighed my preferences to not go out.

16:26:46 [thedog] There is a science show on Tuesday, which I will record, called Most of our Universe is missing.

16:26:59 [delongh@ma] thedog> Deputy Steward is still here

16:27:20 [alison] thedog> Did she not win one on the visa lottery? I am delighted that she has been able to discharge her responsibilities to allow her to move sooner

16:27:39 [thedog] alison> Well, the car has AC, doesn’t it?. If not, you are a brave lass.

16:28:32 [alison] thedog> No – we do not have AC in our cars – usually no need for it – but I rolled the window down and drove a little faster than normal

16:28:58 [thedog] alison> Yes she won, ut has to go through the process of claiming her prize. Doing it here, now, was much faster than doing it in Deutchland.

16:29:30 [thedog] alison> OMG, that’s a picture … you driving fast

16:29:36 [jperrott] alison> I believe I’ve been told that Marianne had won a Green Card!

16:30:01 [alison] thedog> The Fourth Way could be subtitled: finding the bits that are missing

16:30:36 [alison] thedog> No need to be cheeky…….

16:30:36 [thedog] After Best Moments, who has a question for this ole dog?

16:30:49 [jperrott] thedog> …and dumping the bits that are hiding the "missing" bits.

16:31:49 [alison] BM I hae finally seen that my problems with being a passenger in a car is a control problem and am finally able to put some force into resolving the problem

16:32:01 [thedog] jperrott> Kinda like removing the painting someone painted on top of the original.

16:32:02 [jperrott] thedog> Scriv asked you for the meaning of ‘Harnel’.

16:32:25 [jperrott] thedog> Indeed!

16:33:07 [alison] thedog> So – all that is required is the right sort of scourer….

16:33:36 [delongh@ma] thedog> Why couldn’t I find 279936 by myself?

16:34:17 [thedog] jperrott> Harnel is "to mix" in Armenian.

16:34:39 [scrivs] jperrott> My take on that was ‘ a way towards real life’.

16:36:21 [thedog] delongh@ma> Sometimes we complicate things with our brilliant minds and therefore can’t see the simple. Like taking apart the TV that doesn’t work, only to discover much later that is was simple not plugged in

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16:37:31 [delongh@ma] thedog> if only i had kept on squaring 6

16:39:39 [thedog] delongh@ma> Yes, the fraction of 5/6 to the seventh is 78125/279936. Doh! But you would have found it, of that I am certain.

16:40:01 [delongh@ma] thedog> I was not on the ball enough but now i’m a bit wiser

16:41:09 [delongh@ma] thedog> 279936 is the seventh Heaven

16:42:04 [delongh@ma] thedog> A whole number is complete,no fragments

16:43:38 [thedog] delongh@ma> Now, what number would be needed for the top DO of the 1s octave, to have all 19 octaves calculate as whole numbers — in one scale, in 2 scales, and in all 3 inner scales?

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16:44:54 [delongh@ma] thedog> I have written that down.thanks.

16:46:13 [thedog] Any other questions?

16:47:21 [delongh@ma] thedog> Scale 1 converts to scale 0 using 48 as- 1,16/15,6/5,4/3,3/2,8/5,16/9,2

16:49:44 [thedog] delongh@ma> Good start. An octave calculates to whole numbers if its length is 24 … and I need the smallest guy to calculate as whole numbers …

16:50:59 [scrivs] thedog> I ws going to ask how may one know for sure that 4th way work will /may result in a more wholesome being—but something /somehow gave me the clue that it’s out of the Question!

16:51:47 [delongh@ma] thedog> From RE across reads- 1/8,2/15,3/20,1/6,3/16,1/5,2/9,1/4.

16:53:08 [scrivs] jperrott> Have exercised no several times.

16:54:15 [jperrott] scrivs> Good. Now you may move on to support your affirmation.

16:55:13 [thedog] scrivs> Good question. It is a matter of the development of man and what constitutes higher states. Many way seek to approach that answer. For me, the 4th way was the most accessable. Study of man, his parts, etc. One can certainly discern his higher moments from his lower. Works for me

16:56:23 [delongh@ma] thedog> LA across yields-2/3,32/45,4/5,8/9,1,16/15,32/27,4/3.

16:57:08 [scrivs] thedog> ——why can’t my higher states be permanent? If there is a higher ,then why not a higher beyond that? ….sort of approach?

16:57:29 [delongh@ma] thedog> I now have to experiment with whole numbers to satisfy all inner octaves

16:58:52 [delongh@ma] thedog> TI gives-7/8,14/15,21/20,7/6,21/16,7/5,14/9,7/4.

16:58:54 [thedog] delongh@ma> Keep it simple, Richard. If 279936 yields all DO’s as whole #s and I want all octaves’ notes to be whole #’s and the octave with a length of 24 gives me all whole #’s, then probably 279936 x 24 would yield all octaves’s notes as whole #’s

17:00:18 [thedog] delongh@ma> And since the octave of 192 yields all whole numbers in 2 scales; and 1536 in 3 scales, then ….

17:00:41 [delongh@ma] thedog> 6718464 is astronomical, but fits

17:02:11 [delongh@ma] thedog> I get 12288 is it that simple?

17:02:49 [alison] goodnight all

17:02:57 [thedog] delongh@ma> Now you know why I chose 1296 as the 1s do. It was much easier to visualize.

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17:04:15 [thedog] delongh@ma> 279936 x24; 279936 x 192; 279936 x 1536 …

17:04:51 [delongh@ma] thedog> The integer 6 is quite special

17:05:10 [thedog] Well my fellow seekers, the hour has evaporated. thanks for being here. See you all next week.

17:05:33 [jperrott] Good night and good wishes to all!

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17:06:28 [scrivs] G’night all.

17:06:29 [gary] Good bye.

17:06:46 [delongh@ma] Good night all

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19:00:48 [alejandra] Buenas Tardes!!

19:01:02 [mariana] hola buenas tarde queridos amigos

19:01:47 [james] Hola amiga!

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19:02:04 [james] Mejores Momentos de la Semana!

19:03:22 [renatta] Hola buenas tardes, Vero no va a poder estar con nosotros por cita mèdica, envia saludos a todos.

19:03:27 [mariana] mi mejor momento de la semana fue en el chat del sabado en donde me llego el entendimiento de la palabra perdon.

19:04:42 [alejandra] renatta> Gracias amiga, se nos aviso por E-mail, de cualquier manera mil gracias.

19:05:13 [alejandra] mariana> Que extraordinario

19:07:06 [renatta] Mi mejor momento ha sido experimentar una vez mas lo sorprenderte que es llevar a cabo el trabajo usando las herramientas, dàndome cuenta que efectivamente hay màs opciones de donde puedo escoger.

19:07:56 [alejandra] Mi mejor momento de la semana fue en la clase del domingo donde la hija de Pamela, le expreso a ella todo el amor y agradecimiento por ser su madre.

19:08:31 [alejandra] renatta>

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19:08:51 [juanpablo] buenas tardes a todos

19:09:38 [james] Buenas tardes, Bienvenido.

19:10:48 [juanpablo] mi mejor momento fue hoy al poder separarme de la maquina y simplemente observar

19:10:50 [renatta] Al estar leyendo el cap. SI pude observar de 1 nueva manera la 8va. del mundo espiritual y la fìsica…

19:11:55 [renatta] … se mezcla lo superior con lo inferior para actualizar lo de en medio y ahì està la VIDA, ha sido sorprendente…

19:12:09 [james] juanpablo>

19:12:50 [james] juanpablo>

19:13:04 [renatta] … de esto me surgiò 1 pregunta: dice que Gurdjieff indicò que el principio sexual se origina fuera del universo, en el sagrado sol absoluto ¿porque?.

19:13:47 [mariana] en el capitulo SI menciona claramente el harnel-miaznel y lo sorprendente fue ver como la vida esta en medio de las grandes octavas fisica y espiritual,quiere decir que el trabajo me permitira estar realmente en la vida?

19:14:40 [mariana] desde un estado de presencia?

19:18:33 [james] renatta> uno de los principios del universo es el principio doble que viene de la ley de 7, La octava de la vida es la octava del sexo. Procreacion es usada para llenar el Do de abajo, este es un estado fisico doble…

19:20:05 [james] renatta> pero el hombre es el primer animal que puede servir al Do superior por medio de la eleccion, por medio de doblarse a si mismo espiritualmente.

19:21:37 [james] mariana> Si, cuando mas trabajamos podemos vivir mas y creceremos mas.

19:21:45 [renatta] El hombre en LA_SI es cuando llega al estado de razòn (centro mental superior), es aquì de donde se desprende que el hombre sòlo llega a LA en el eneagrama…

19:22:24 [renatta] … por lo que lo que continua de LA es lo que elija hacer con mi trabajo personal, la aplicaciòn de los ejercicios, el trabajo individual sobre mi misma ¿es correcto?.

19:23:45 [mariana] entonces quiere decir que el hombre real empieza entre LA Y SI de la escala 0?

19:25:06 [james] renatta> Si es correcto, si no hay parte en nuestra maquina que no pueda pasar LA asi que tenemos que trabajar para llegar a ser libres de nuestra maquina para que nuestro ser pueda ser puro realmente para tener contacto con la RAZON.

19:25:45 [renatta] James> Entonces el principio duplicador da origen a la octava que culmina en el superior que a su vez se duplica a si misma sòlo que el 1o. està en el plano fìsico y el 2o. està en el espiritual?

19:25:52 [james] mariana> Si.

19:28:30 [mariana] para atravesar el intervalo una clave podria ser el duplicarse es correcto esto ?

19:28:48 [juanpablo] el hacer los ejercicios es para mantenerme en ( la ) lo mas posible?

19:29:32 [juanpablo] ya que el despertar no es constante ,se sube y se baja! es correcto?

19:30:19 [juanpablo] como entender despues de estar completamente unificado ,que el do superir se encarga de jalarme?

19:32:01 [mariana] el fondo absoluto puedo entenderlo como macanicidad ?

19:32:12 [james] renatta> La duplicacion en lo fisico es para sobrevivir, para la naturaleza de otra manera la especie no sobrevive. La duplicacion de lo espiritual solamente para el individuo que se duplica a si mismo espiritualmente y llega a ser algo mas superior de lo fisico.

19:33:44 [renatta] pàg. 145 "El llenado de cualquier Mdnel-in-actualizado-intencionalmente, da impetu para la ascensiòn de la siguiente 8va" ¿este llenado representa el 1er. choque consciente?.

19:33:46 [james] mariana> Si tenemos que llegar a ser algo mas superior de lo que somos.

19:34:53 [james] juanpablo> Si el hacer nuestros ejercicos significa hacer algo intencional encontra de lo mecanico que somos.

19:35:51 [james] juanpablo> Si, nuestros estados pueden cambiar asi que tenemos que continuar haciendo esfuerzos para conseguir algo superior de lo que fue antes.

19:37:45 [james] juanpablo> Mira al hombre en el desierto, el cual no tiene agua y se cae en el desierto porque esta muy debil para continuar, entonces el ve el oasis y se levanta y corre para alcanzarlo.

19:40:09 [james] mariana> Si en el fondo del universo todo funciona de acuerdo al resultado de las leyes. La naturaleza es mecanica hasta que alcanza el nivel del hombre y entonces comienza la posibilidad de la eleccion.

19:40:31 [mariana] en la pag 146 menciona que los ciclos se detienen por 3 particularidades ,me llega una idea estas son la 1 es la infuencia A,2 influencia B,3influencia C es correcto?

19:41:44 [james] renatta> No, Los choques conscientes solamente se refieren al Diagrama de la comida y esos no aplican en los otros modelos de la Octava en esa forma…

19:43:22 [james] renatta> Si-Do es * Intencional* porque solamente puede ser llenado por medio del Do superior.

19:45:12 [james] mariana> Nunca he escuchado a Russell utilizar ese modelo antes. Eso significa que las influencias no aplican aqui.

19:46:02 [renatta] Gracias a todos por compartir, tengo que salir, qué es lo que se verà el proximo lunes

19:46:35 [james] renatta> Gracias por todas tus preguntas y hacer el gran esfuerzo de estar en este chat.

19:47:57 [renatta] James> Al contrario gracias a Ustedes que lo hacen posible, un beso desde mèxico y un saludo de enrique para ustedes!!!!

19:48:28 [james] mariana> Aqui esta un ejemplo de las 3 particularidades del Harnet- Aoot …

19:48:51 [juanpablo] porque se dice que el intervalo ( si do ) es mas facil de pasar que el ( mi fa ) ?

19:48:54 [james] renatta> Gracias, se los mandamos de regreso.

19:49:11 [juanpablo] debido el despertar?

19:50:40 [james] mariana> Un hombre esta cocinando una comida. Si cae dentro de la primera particularidad cuando esta cocinando la comida muchas cosas estan pasando alrededor de el y en su mundo interior asi que cuando termina la comida…

19:51:23 [james] mariana> …el tendra ya cocinada la cocina pero no habra ganado nada para el mismo.

19:52:54 [james] juanpablo> Mi-Fa necesita algo desde afuera para pasarlo, pero Ti-Do ya tiene lo que necesita desde su propia Octava del Do supeiror.

19:54:17 [mariana] ok,me queda mas claro gracias .

19:54:41 [james] mariana> Si el cae dentro de la segunda particularidad entonces el esta cocinando solo para el mismo y nadie sabre como su comida ha estado hasta que alguien coma de ella.

19:54:50 [juanpablo] lago desde afuera es un choque conciente?

19:55:37 [james] mariana> Para la tercera particularidad el puede cocinar para otros o para el mismo.

19:57:05 [james] juanpablo> recuerda que los choques conscientes en general aplican al Diagrama de la comida….

19:57:39 [juanpablo] que debo entender por algo de afuera?

19:58:15 [juanpablo] desde otra octaba?

19:58:22 [james] juanpablo> De cualquier manera si tu eliges comenzar una octava, entonces tienes que ser conciente y recordar de traer los apropiados choques en Mi.

20:01:03 [james] juanpablo> Cuando tu estas cocinando, la meta de la octava es transformar la comida. Para hacer esto tu tienes que traer otras cosas, los sartenes, la temperatura, los condimentos, etc. estos son fuerzas desde afuera que tu traes para completar tu octava.

20:01:15 [juanpablo] gracias por todo ale y james

20:02:54 [juanpablo] esas haciones pueden ser concientes o no ? es lo mismo?

20:03:54 [james] juanpablo> Para cualquier octava que hagamos nosotros tenemos que ser conscientes de ella.

20:04:23 [james] juanpablo> de otra forma las cosas nadamas pasan y manera o otra.

20:04:52 [james] De nada mis queridos amigos, los amamos y los esperamos la proxima semana.Gracias por sus esfuerzos de estar en este chat.

20:04:57 [juanpablo] ok . gracias por todo ,buenas noches

20:05:03 [mariana] muchas gracias por todo amigos como siempre es un placer el estar con ustedes ,cual sera el tema del proximo lunes ?

20:05:43 [alejandra] Continuaremos nuevamente con este capitulo *Si*.

20:06:00 [juanpablo] ok

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20:06:16 [alejandra] Buenas noches mis amigos.

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20:06:32 [mariana] ok,les mando un beso con todo lo mejor de mi

20:07:03 [mariana] gracias no vemos el sabado .

20:07:16 [james] Gracias, Mariana… Gracias por tu Presencia!

20:08:13 [james] Si, Sabado y Lunes!

20:08:31 [mariana] ok hermoso ,nos vemos pronto

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