july 3 & 4, 2004

[Russell Smith]

America/Mexico

[azavala] HELLO, HELLO!!! SALUDOS A TODOS!!!!

[Verónica] Hola Alfonso, buenas tardes.

[azavala] BUENAS TARDES.-

[carlosc] Hola saludos a todos

[thedog] Greetings all.

[azavala] thedog> SALUDOS A TODOS.

[thedog] What was you greatest moment of presence this week?

[azavala] thedog> ¿CUAL FUE SU MAS GRANDE MOMENTO DE PRESENCIA ESTA SEMANA?

[MigueAngel] Mine was yesterday being able to start a new business I was planing for 20 or more years!

[MigueAngel] Another one was having lunch at Lety’s and finding out that there are already in Vallarta No-carbs cakes!!!

[azavala] MigueAngel> EL MIO FUE AYER AL SER CAPAZ DE EMPEZAR UN NUEVO NEGOCIO QUE ESTUVE PLANEANDO POR MÁS DE 20 AÑOS.

[MigueAngel] An another one was today finding out that there are about to make no-carbs “TORTILLAS”… GUAUUUUUU!

[azavala] MigueAngel> OTRO FUE TENIENDO EL LUNCH CON LETY Y ENCONTRANDO QUE YA HAY EN PUERTO VALLARTA PASTELES SIN CARBOHIDRATOS!!!!

[MigueAngel] An another one is right now, listening to Hania leading a group and her wise words!

[thedog] ok, let’s try Best Moments

[gon] El mio sigue siendo que con mas frecuencia persivo la presencia en los lugares mas inesperados.

[MigueAngel] An another one was with our new student Angelina listening crying because she wasn’t able to understand octaves… and finally learning them!!! with Carmen Celina

[azavala] MigueAngel> OTRO FUE HOY ENCONTRANDO QUE HAY TORTILLAS SIN CARBOHIDRATOS…GUAUUUUU

[thedog] or questions

[MigueAngel] Gonzalo: mine is that I continue sensing the presence in the most inexpected places.

[carlosc] El momento mas grande de presencia esta semana fue el miercoles cuando esta fue mas intensa porque al estar presente ante eventos importantes la actitud no fue reaccionaria si no de presencia

[azavala] MigueAngel> OTRO ES JUSTO AHORA, ESCUCHANDO A HANIA CONDUCIENDO UN GRUPO Y ESCUCHANDO SUS SABIAS PALABRAS.

[celina] hola a todos

[azavala] thedog> OK.- INTENTEMOS SUS MEJORES MOMENTOS.

[MigueAngel] Carlos Corral: on Wednesday in the face of important events and having a non reactive attitude with presence.

[azavala] thedog> PREGUNTAS.?

[Verónica] Fue el viernes, iba caminando hacia mi trabajo. Unos momentos antes en el pesero hice un Yo Soy. El recordar algunas palabras de Russ en la gran semana que tuvimos con él. Mi cuerpo vibro de emoción.

[jorge] Buenastardes a todos.

[thedog] carlosc> That is very good. A man can do nothing, until he can stop himself…#?

[MigueAngel] Verónica: On Friday, I was walking towards my job. Some moments before at the cab I did an I Am exercise. To remember some of Russ words in the great week we have with him. My body vibrated with emotion.

[Verónica] Fue un momento tan hermoso, porque en mi corazón sentí un agradecimiento tal hacia Russ y hacia la enseñanza que las lágrimas no tardaron en salir.

[MigueAngel] 87

[azavala] thedog> carlosc.- ESO ES MUY BUENO. UN HOMBRE NO PUEDE HACER NADA, HASTA QUE SE DETENGA A SÍ MISMO…AFORISMO No.?

[MigueAngel] Verónica: it was such a wonderful moment, because in my heart I felt gratitud toward Russ and towards the teaching and tears came.

[gon] El momento estrano, molesto al prinsipio, estrano y hasta chistoso luego que cuando al visualisarme como integrante del equipo de trabajo del nuevo negosio que comenta Miguel, me cahi muy gordo.

[celina] uno mio de hoy fue el compartir una crisis de angelina nuestra estudiante y el haber encontrado con ayuda del mental superior las palabras para ayudarle a salir de alli con confianza en si misma

[carlosc] El mejor momento de la semana es hoy porque al estar compartiendo con ustedes me doy cuenta de lo importante que es la retroalimentacion y las experiencias vertidas aqui en este chat

[juanpablo] buenas tardes a todos

[thedog] Doug> Hola Dr. Doug. It is great to have you with us. We shall take advantage of your presence. Everyone, please take use of having him with us to ask of him any any questions, as he can give us valuable insights.

[Doug] Buenas tardes

[MigueAngel] Gonzalo: an strange moment was listening to the new idea of business by Miguel Angel and not liking myself.

[jorge] Mi mejor momento fue cuando despues de realizar un ejercicio maestro logre estar en10 mi peor momento fue cuando me senti en un momento dado conconsideraciòn interna pero lo trabaje observando la fricciòn ,reflexionando que no habia ningùn problema en esto y logre regresar a mi mismo.

[MigueAngel] Celina: today sharing a crisis with Angelina, our student in process and having found with the help of my higher mental the words to help her to come out from her crisis and arrive to self confidence.

[azavala] thedog> Doug.- HOLA DR. DOUGLAS. ES GENIAL TENERTE ENTRE NOSOTROS. APROVECHAREMOS MUCHO TU PRESENCIA. TODOS POR FAVOR, APROVECHEN PARA HACERLE PREGUNTAS, YA QUE NOS PUEDE DAR OPINIONES VALIOSAS.

[MigueAngel] Carlos C. my best is today sharing with you and realizing the importance of feedback and the experiences you mentioned.

[celina] gusto de que estes aqui doug.

[thedog] celina> BRAVO!!! You are very special. smooch.

[Doug] por mi tambien, cc

[MigueAngel] Doug> Buenas tardes Doug… mucho gusto de leer de ti…

[jorge] Podrias darme unos ejemplos de lo que es los estados de animo y como podemos trabajar en ellos?

[gon] Dr. Duglas “””Tu eres el hombre””” RECUERDAS?

[Doug] Si,Senor G

[azavala] thedog> celina.- BRAVO!!! TU ERES MUY ESPECIAL. BESITO…

[MigueAngel] Jorges’ best: after doing a master exercises arriving to 10 and my worse feeling a moment with inner considering and working observing the friction and podering there is no problem and returning to myself.

[juanpablo] mi mejor momento fue el miercoles pasado que estaba comiendo,se hacerco una persona de bajos recursos economicos y aparte con problemas fisicos,preguntando cuanto salia un taco,al parecerle caro ya se iba,yo le comente que lo invitaba a comer,y al verlo comer me di cuenta de que se le dificultaba

[MigueAngel] Smooch = kiss = beso.

[MigueAngel] Jorge asks: could you please tell me more about the moods and how to work with them?

[juanpablo] comer por su problema fisico lo cual me causo mucha presencia y alaves me hiso refleccionar de que afortunado soy y ala vez que desafortunado el,y que no debo de estarme quejando por tonterias y ponerme a trabajar mas duro

[Verónica] En relación a la sugerencia=tarea que me dejo Russ el chat pasado, estuve haciendo durante la semana 3 veces el Yo Soy, como Russ, nos lo dirigió en Vallarta. El resultado que obtuve: presencia y más comprensión. Mi reto para esta semana es hacerlo 6 veces al día.

[Doug] With self observation we begin to see that moods tend to be self inflicted. We can resolve to not be affected as much, then less and less by the usual causes for our moods…

[Verónica] 3 veces al día

[MigueAngel] Juan Pablo alias bombón chilango: My best was on wednesday while eating. A person approach and he was poor and with physical handicaps and he was asking the cost of a “taco” and as he thought it was expensive, I told him I invite hiem and watching him eating I realized his difficulties at eating…

[celina] mi pregunta..la secuencia,de la nota si reapareciendo como sol y la reapareciendo como fa, del capitulo mi. conecta con las oscilaciones tambien ? si-sol* la-fa*

[Doug] We can prepare in advance for situations that have affected moods in the past…

[MigueAngel] Juan Pablo… and that brought me Presence and made me ponder the fortune I have and the misfortune of him and then I should not complain about nonsenses and work harder.

[Verónica] Al revisar mis notas que tome en Vallarta, Russ decía que la única forma de pasar de LA-SI es con los esfuerzos masivos. wow.

[azavala] Doug> PODEMOS PREPARARNOS POR ANTICIPADO PARA SITUACIONES QUE HAN AFECTADO NUESTRO HUMOR EN EL PASADO…

[celina] Gracias ,Smooch!! de aqui para alla a ambos!!

[juanpablo] mi peor momento fue hoy en la mañana ya que me di cuenta que puedo llegar a ser un hijo de la &%/&$$ si me lo propongo con la gente que me estima y que estimo(haciendo sentir muy mal a un amigo) lo solucione con el ejercicio(imaginate conciente)y alcabo de un rato pedi disculpas ya que lo sentia

[MigueAngel] veronica… in regards with the homework you gave us last week, I was during 3 times the I Am as you suggegsted in Vallarta. the results… presence and understanding. My challenge this weeK: to do it 6 times a day.

[MigueAngel] Celina asks: The sequence of the note Ti appearing as So and La reapearing as Fa, on chapter 3, connects with the oscillations as well? Ti-So*¨and La-Fa*?

[azavala] Doug> ANTES DIJO.- CON LA AUTOOBSERVACIÓN COMENZAMOS A VER QUE LOS ESTADOS DE ANIMO TIENDEN A SER AUTOINFLINGIDOS, PODEMOS DECIDIR SER AFECTADOS CADA VEZ MENOS DEBIDO A LAS CAUSAS DE NUESTROS ESTADOS DE ANIMO.

[thedog] Verónica> Brilliant!

[MigueAngel] Verónica: reviewing my notes from Vallarta, Russ said the only way to pass from La to Ti is with massive efforts… WOW!!!

[MigueAngel] Celina: thank you and smoock to both of you!!

[MigueAngel] Juan Pablo: my worse moment was today this morning realizing I could be a bastard if I decide it, at people I love and the love me, like making feel bad a friend; I solve it with the exercise “imagine yourself conscious” and after a while I appologize.

[mariana] hola,buenas tardes a todos

[MigueAngel] mariana> Bienvenida Mariana, hasta que vemos tu luz!!!

[azavala] MigueAngel> Verónica.- REVISANDO MIS NOTAS DE VALLARTA, RUSS DIJO QUE LA ÚNICA MANERA DE PASAR DE LA A SI ES CON ESFUERZOS MASIVOS…WOW!!!

[azavala] SORRY!!!!

[MigueAngel] Dear Russ and Doug, could you expand on Inner Considering and how to work with that?

[thedog] celina> ‘TI’ becoming ‘so’ and ‘LA’ becoming ‘Fa’ is a change of scale. TI-SO and LA-FA are defined oscilations in the same scale. The ‘so’ and ‘Fa’ are ends of oscillations, also, but in smaller (inner) scales.

[celina] el martes mi estado fisico estaba afectado por efectos de un medicamento y se me dificultaba la concentracion, con mas esfuerzo en la presencia con atencion y dirigiendo mi esfuerzo a memorizar me fui recuperando poco a poco

[Doug] One aspect of inner considering is to grab the stick in the same place each time a situation presents itself

[azavala] thedog> celina.- SI CONVIERTIENDOSE A SOL Y LA CONVIRTIENDOSE A FA ES UN CAMBIO DE ESCALA. SI-SOL Y LA-FA SON OSCILACIONES DEFINIDAS EN LA MISMA ESCALA. SOL Y FA SON EL FINAL DE LAS OSCILACIONES, TAMBIÉN, PERO EN LAS ESCALAS MENORES (INTERNAS)

[azavala] thedog> UN ASPECTO DE LA CONSIDERACION INTERNA ES TOMAR LA VARA EN EL MISMO LUGAR CADA VEZ QUE LA SITUACION SE VUELVE A PRESENTAR.

[MigueAngel] celina: on tuesday my physical state was affected by the effects of a medicine and I was having dificulty at concentrating with more efforts in the presence and with attention and directing my efforts to memorize I recovered little by little.

[Doug] As we expand the range of options of responses beyond the usual inner considering, we begin to get ourselves out of the way and respond with more impartiality

[mariana] quiero comentar que nuevamente estoy tomando la fuerza para continuar trabajando,esta semana me permiti el realizar diario el yo soy y el triple mis estados de consideracion interna ha disminuido.

[carlosc] Como puedo trabajar con la imaginacion negativa cuando esta se presenta constantemente?

[Verónica] En un desayuno Russ comentaba que la gente siempre busca culpar a los demás, y que cuando yo me echo la culpa o acepto mi error es diferente. Que el problema radicaba en cuando mentía para lograr

[Doug] Hola Joaquin, Juan Pablo

[azavala] Doug> A MEDIDA QUE EXPANDIMOS EL RANGO DE OPCIONES DE RESPUESTAS MÁS ALLÁ DE LA CONSIDERACIÓN INTERNA USUAL, COMENZAMOS A SALIRNOS DEL CAMINO HABITUAL Y RESPONDEMOS CON MAYOR IMPARCIALIDAD.

[mariana] hola,Doug

[MigueAngel] Mariana; I want to comment that I am again using my force to continue my work and this week I allow myself to practice daily the I am and threefold and my states of inner considering are decreasing.

[MigueAngel] Carlos Corral: How can I work with negative imagination when it presents constantly?

[Doug] Hola Mariana, good work!

[Verónica] algo. Cuando miento deliberadamente y cuando no me doy cuenta que estoy mintiendo (estoy en multiplicidad, por esto no me doy cuenta).

[azavala] Doug> HOLA MARIANA, BUEN TRABAJO!!

[Verónica] Hola Joaquis

[MigueAngel] Verónica: in one of the breakfast in Vallarta, Russ commented people always blames others, and whe I take the blame or accept my mistakes it is different.That the problem was in how much I was lying to gain something…

[MigueAngel] Veronica… when I lie deliberatedly and when I don’t realize I am lying… I am in multiplicity and that is why I don´t notice that.

[gon] Se comento en los desayunos que se puede ocupar la identificacion para efectuar siertos trabajos. No me queda claro esto.

[MigueAngel] Gonzalo: You commented in one of the breakfasts that we can use identification to do certain jobs… I don’t quite understand this idea.

[MigueAngel] thedog> ok

[jorge] Como entender la idea de queel alimento del cuerpo astral es el significado, me podrias dar un ejemplo de esta idea?

[mariana] la diferencia de un estado de crisis y una harnel-aoot,es que en el harnel-aoot transformas,aplicas lo ejercicios necesarios para pasar a la nota SI,a diferencia de un estado de crisis don de solo caes en consideracion interna sin hacer los esfuerzos correspondientes?es correcto o estoy mal

[MigueAngel] Jorge asks: How to understand the idea that the food of the astral body is meaning? could you give me an example of this idea?

[Doug] On the negative imagination: Carlos, it seems that first we must be able to stop. That in and of itself may be victory enough in a situation.

[MigueAngel] Mariana: the difference from a state of crisis and a harnel-aoot is that in the harnel-aoot you transform and apply the necessary exercises to go through the note Ti and a difference in a state of crisis in which you fall inner considering with making corresponding efforts… is this so?

[azavala] Doug> ACERCA DE LA IMAGINACIÓN NEGATIVA: CARLOS, APARENTEMENTE LO PRIMERO ES QUE DEBEMOS SER CAPACES DE DETENERLO. ESO POR SI MISMO PUEDE SER UNA VICTORIA SUFICIENTE.

[Doug] jorge> In your highest state, do you not have some urge to interact with others, to touch someones life in a positive way? This is the hunger of the astral body.

[thedog] gon> If I know I have an I that wants to be perfect, then I can use that I to help me perfect my work. When I perfect it, I will not need his identification of trying to be perfect

[azavala] Doug> jorge.- ES TU ESTADO MAS ALTO, ¿NO TIENES DESEOS DE INTERACTUAR CON OTROS, DE TOCAR LA VIDA DE ALGUIEN EN UNA FORMA POSITIVA? ESTA ES EL HAMBRE DEL CUERPO ASTRAL.

[thedog] 10 minutes left. Any more questions for Doug. Hurry…

[juanpabl] juanpablo>

[azavala] thedog> gon.- SI SE QUE TENGO UN YO QUE QUIERE SER PERFECTO. PUEDO USARLO PARA AYUDARME A PERFECCIONAR MI TRABAJO, CUANDO LO PERFECCIONE NO NECESITARÉ SU IDENTIFICACIÓN DE TRATAR DE SER PERFECTO.

[Doug] Yee-Haw!!

[carlosc] Thank you Doug

[juanpabl] tengo problemas con la conputadora,buenas tardes a todos

[azavala] thedog> QUEDAN 10 MINUTOS. ¿MÁS PREGUNTAS PARA DOUG? APURENSE…

[MigueAngel] How can we work with strong identifications with the machine doesn’t want to quit them?

[MigueAngel] When…the machine…

[Doug] We must keep to our aim and not be diverted by side octaves like identifications

[Verónica] 19:39:44 y 19:40:24, podrían abundarme al respecto. gracias

[MigueAngel] But what happen when you are caught by the strong identification? what would be the way out if you are trapped there?

[Doug] The more clearly we identify the nature and definition of the octave of our aim, the more clearly an identification will be noted, and the negative aspects will be stark

[azavala] Doug> DEBEMOS APEGARNOS A NUESTRO OBJETIVO Y NO DIVAGAR CON OCTAVAS LATERALES COMO LAS IDENTIFICACIONES.

[Doug] Once we are in it, we need to try not to do much harm until we can get out

[azavala] Doug> CUANTO MÁS CLARAMENTE IDENTIFIQUEMOS LA NATURALEZA Y DEFINICIÓN DE LA OCTAVA DE NUESTRO OBJETIVO, MÁS CLARAMENTE LA IDENTIFICACIÓN SE HARÁ NOTAR.

[thedog] MigueAngel> Sometimes you can intentionally, temporarily create a greater reason-purpose-identification of some other nature, which makes the original identification insignificant, and is thus diminished.

[MigueAngel] Doug> yeah, that is great!…

[MigueAngel] thedog> very good too! thank you… I needed those two… love you!

[celina] Doug> ese apetito del astral le da mas significancia a nuestro TRABAJO , y Russ nos decia que alli cocinamos el MENTAL S> como va sucediendo??

[MigueAngel] Veronica is waiting the answer to 19:39:44 and 19:40:24

[azavala] Doug> …Y LOS ASPECTOS NEGATIVOS RESALTARÁN. UNA VEZ QUE ESTEMOS AHÍ, NECESITAMOS TRATAR DE NO HACER MUCHO DAÑO HASTA QUE PODAMOS SALIR.

[MigueAngel] Celina to Doug: that apetite of the astral gives more meaning to our WORK, and Russ said from there we cook the Higher Mental.. how does this happen?

[thedog] Verónica> Sorry, I took it as a statement and not as a question. Yes. You are correct

[Doug] The astral body is the pot in which the Higher Mental is cooked

[azavala] thedog> MigueAngel.- ALGUNAS VECES PUEDES INTENCIONAL Y TEMPORALMENTE CREAR UNA MAYOR IDENTIFICACIÓN-PROPOSITO-RAZÓN DE ALGUNA OTRA NATURALEZA, LA CUAL HACE INSIGNIFICANTE LA IDENTIFICACIÓN ORIGINAL, Y ES ASÍ DISMINUIDA.

[jorge] Si uno trabaja muy constantemente el ejercicio YO SOY en mi caso siento que la respiraciòn se altera un poco aunque trate de respirar sin alterarla no hay ningún problema hacer este ejercicio varias veces durante el dìa?

[Verónica] Gracias…

[azavala] thedog> Verónica.- LO SIENTO, LO TOMÉ COMO UNA AFIRMACIÓN Y NO COMO UNA PREGUNTA. ESTÁS EN LO CIERTO.

[MigueAngel] Jorge asks: if one works constantly in the I Am exercise, in my case I feel that my breath is altered a little nevertheless I try to breath without changing it. My question is: is there a problem in doing this exercise several times a day?

[thedog] Wow!!! Time is already up. We will stay to allow Doug to answer the final questions you have asked. Thanks for all your questions.

[azavala] Doug> EL CUERPO ASTRAL ES EL RECIPIENTE DONDE SE COCINA EL MENTAL SUPERIOR.

[MigueAngel] Thank you dear Master Teacher and dear Teacher Doug… we love you both!

[mariana] Miguel ,quiero preguntarte si has recibido mis correos ya he mandado 4 y no obtengo respuesta , que estara pasando?

[celina] Doug> but how is it hapening..how can I feel it?

[azavala] thedog> WOW!! EL TIEMPO CASI SE HA ACABADO. NOS QUEDAREMOS PARA PERMITIR QUE DOUG CONTESTE LAS ÚLTIMAS PRGUNTAS QUE SE HICIERON. GRACIAS POR TODAS SUS PREGUNTAS.

[Verónica] Gracias a todos por su presencia. Gracias Russ, Doug, Miguel Ángel y Alfonso.

[mariana] GRACIAS RUSS,DOUG,ALFONSO,MIGUEL

[azavala] celina> Doug.- ¿CÓMO ES QUE SUCEDE? ¿CÓMO PUEDO SENTIRLO?

[Doug] celina> My experience is that you consciously feel you are doing it when transforming emotions and seeing things in a more objective way

[mariana] TE LOS MANDO A LAS DOS DIRECCIONES

[MigueAngel] Next Saturday I will be in Mexico City… so probably there will be no chat?

[azavala] MUY BIEN HERMANO MIGUEL.- SUERTE!!!

[celina] Doug> yes, thanks, Doug.

[azavala] Doug> celina.- MI EXPERIENCIA ES QUE PUEDES SENTIRLO CONSCIENTEMENTE QUE LO ESTÁS HACIENDO CUANDO TRANSFORMAS EMOCIONES Y VES LAS COSAS DE UNA FORMA MÁS OBJETIVA.

[Doug] jorge> try doing the threefold exercise as well with less emphasis on the breathing..

[mariana] gracias miguel angel

[MigueAngel] thedog> Tonight I am going to attend a late appointment with a client. So I won’t be at home… sorry.

[thedog] jorge> It is good to do the I AM more times than you can count.

[thedog] GONG GONG. See you all next week. I love you. Russ

[azavala] Doug> jorge.- TRATA DE HACER EL EJERCICIO TRIPLE, CON MENOS ENFÁSIS EN LA RESPIRACIÓN.

[jorge] thank you Russell, Doug ,Miguel Angel y Alfonso. Bay a todos y gracias.

[MigueAngel] Buenas noches a todos, gracias por su presencia. Los veo el Lunes en nuestro chat en español.

[azavala] thedog> jorge.- ES BUENO HACER EL YO SOY MÁS VECES DE LAS QUE PUEDAS CONTAR.

[gon] Muchas gracias a todos..GUAU….GUAU….GUAY………..

[Doug] Great to spend some moments with you all. All my love and best wishes

[celina] Adios y gracias a Russ, Doug, Miguel A. Alfonso.. Besos en espanol

[azavala] thedog> GONG GONG . LOS VEO LA PRÓXIMA SEMANA.- LOS AMO. RUSS

[carlosc] Nos vemos la proxima semana gracias por sus respuestas y su presencia, Thanks to all masters Russ, Doug and Miguel Angel bye

[Verónica] Buenas noches a todos… besos y abrazos…

[mariana] adios jorge,saludos a yola

[azavala] Doug> ES FANTASTICO PASAR ALGUNOS MOMENTOS CON TODOS USTEDES. LES ENVÍO TODO MI AMOR Y MIS MEJORES DESEOS.

[thedog] Dog Gone

[jorge] bay Mariana te saluda Yola aqui esta.

[azavala] HERMANOS, BUENAS NOCHES!!!!S MOOCHS.

[azavala] Doug> GRACIAS DOC.- GREETINGS A LOT.!!!

[mariana] hola yola

[mariana] ADIOS GON,ADIOS DOUG

America/Mexico

[thedog] Greetings my English friends. I am picking up a new student at 2 PM. I am hoping to be back by 3 PM, in time for our chat, but I may miss part or all of it. If so…have a bloody good chat without me

[jperrott] Greetings Friends! In so far as Russ might not be back for the commencement of our Chat, let’s have your B.Ms.

[jperrott] …as in – Best Moments!

[wooten] I had one of those blending communals with Angie last evening. Most profitable! Jonny

[jperrott] wooten> Anything shareable?

[stevew] Good evening!

[jperrott] stevew> …and to you, sir!

[stevew] Best “moment” since last week was, as reported in class, the result of Russ asking about exercises. It prodded me to do more.

[jperrott] wooten> Are you still thinking, typing – or what?

[wooten] jperrott> A most glorious recap of the basics necessary for this Work on self.

[jperrott] ‘evning Tony!

[wooten] jperrott> patience my friend.

[jperrott] wooten> I have it to over-flowing but nothing else was happening!

[Tony] Evning all

[stevew] Ev’nin’ Tony

[wooten] Russell just now stopped at the driveway to allow our guest to drop off her baggage.

[jperrott] wooten> Patience applies!

[wooten] jperrott> Plenty was happening old boy; just not wwhat you expected.

[Tony] jperrott> Best Moment, as in class, dealing with negative emotions….

[jperrott] wooten> Really! Share with me – what did I expect?

[stevew] wooten> It is amazing how little there is when one goes to leave the property.

[wooten] stevew> please explain.

[stevew] wooten> One leaves one’s “life baggage” at the gate and one doesn’t want to take any away again on leaving.

[jperrott] thedog> Welcome!

[thedog] jperrott> Thank you sir.

[wooten] jperrott> something else?

[jperrott] wooten> Good answer!

[wooten] stevew> Yes, exactly Steve, I understand.

[jperrott] Tony> Would you like to expand on that B.M?

[thedog] People’s stuff is piled all the way back to 455.

[Tony] thedog> Seeing the different state of being in a bad emotion and then being out of that emotion

[thedog] One idea that many students are working with, is the idea that, “if allowed to work rightly, the machine will”; so it is not so much about trying to make your machine work rightly, as it is about keeping it from working wrongly.

[stevew] thedog> Stopping identification, working against negative emotions and so on?

[jperrott] thedog> As in “let’s see what I can’t do that I’m supposed to be able to do”?

[thedog] stevew> Yes

[thedog] jperrott> Yes, with a touch of ‘not doing’ added in.

[Tony] thedog> Well this was part of my observation that the more I struggled the more I sank.

[thedog] Tony> Tell me more, Tony. How did you un-sink yourself?

[wooten] Tony> When we are up to our arses in alligators it’s hard to remember the simple objective was to pull the plug and drain the swamp.

[jperrott] Then I’ll thankfully settle back into “not doing”!

[Tony] thedog> Because I did not want to be in it, and did not know how to get out of it.

[jperrott] wooten> A-Argh! There goes another bug-life!

[Tony] thedog> If I do nothing I stay in it.

[gary] hi all, hi steve

[stevew] Hi, Gary.

[jperrott] gary> Hi Gary!

[thedog] Tony> Gotcha. Then, at least, you now know how to get out…Do Something!

[wooten] gary> Hi Gary

[gary] jperrott> hello

[Tony] thedog> What?

[gary] wooten> hello

[thedog] “allo” Gary.

[Tony] gary> Hi Gary

[thedog] What other great ideas have ya’ll been entertaining.

[thedog] Tony> First try to occupy the place. If you can occupy it with something intentionally (untill the momentum of the undesired feeling diminishes). Do memory (shout it inside yourself, if need be). We can hold the place and in that way stop that which wishes to grab it.

[gary] jperrott>having problems seeing the dualities in the table of elements, any clues

[jperrott] thedog> With one or two Nothing at all – with others, All & Everything!

[wooten] thedog> That was a British show stopper!

[thedog] jperrott> hahahahaha

[jperrott] gary> Sounds like a problem with seeing dualities clearly. Back to chapter 4…

[stevew] gary> Is it with the dualities or with the octave family connections?

[gary] jperrott> okay !

[thedog] jperrott> 18 day, in a row, of rain in June…a new record. Ponds are full.

[gary] stevew> octave family connections

[jperrott] gary> Then realise that both dualities have to have branched from something bigger.

[jperrott] gary> Bigger = earlier!

[thedog] gary> Is is as simple as Miguel Angel Sosa Craviota. Each of his names represents the product of a Mother and Father, a duality. Outer octaver are the same. Sometimes you have 7 names.

[jperrott] gary> Steve seems to “have your number”!

[stevew] gary> I find it helps to think of the Prime family as a sort of “shadow” of the Supreme family. Everything there depends on the Supreme “reality” but somehow creates a new set of “worlds”.

[thedog] stevew> Great Steve

[gary] jperrott> yes, so they are felt not seen

[stevew] gary> So, everything “happening” in the Prime octaves already includes a Supreme source and hence reflects the duality of that source as well as its own.

[jperrott] stevew> Traditionally, one is not a “Mr” until ones father is dead!

[thedog] gary> The 4F’s connected to the 4D, the 4D’s connected to the 3D, the 3D’s connected to the 3P, the 3P’s connected to the 2P, the 2P’s connected to the 2S, the 2S’ connected to the 1S…that’s what its all about

[jperrott] gary> In the model of the dead father – defintely “felt not seen”.

[jperrott] gary> The leaf is connected to the twig that is connected to the little branch that is connected to the big branch that is conneted to the large branch – that is connected to the trunk…

[thedog] gary> Outer octaves trace their lineage back to the original octace and, as a result, they have a bit of a duality from each represented at their level.

[jperrott] gary> …that grew from the source!

[gary] thedog>still don’t understand, they are connected by LA ‘S NOT MI’s AND SO’s

[thedog] gary> Yes. They actually got there before the LA got there. The Law of separated forces occurred before the law of seven was altered to align with them. LA’s and FA” represent where the three forces (relative to the descending DO) exist. 12-10-8. Father, mother, son.

[thedog] gary> Son’s last names (forces–DO’s–at FA) remain that of the father. Daughter’s last names (Forces–DO’s–at LA) change with the daughter’s daughter.

[thedog] gary> Get with Steve or John and they can explore those connections with you.

[gary] thedog> i agree will do and thank you all

[thedog] OK my friends from England, if there are no other questions or comments…I shall see you all next wee. Thanks for joining in. Love to you all.

[thedog] k

[stevew] “Oh” “k”

[jperrott] thedog> Have a wonderful wee! Love and best wishes to all!

[gary] bye all

[thedog] stevew> jajajaja

[thedog] jperrott> jajajaja

[stevew]

[jperrott] Anyone have anything else?

[Tony] Thanks everyone

[stevew] Good night all.

[thedog] DOG GONE

[jperrott] Tony> Goodnight and sleep with quality!

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