August 14 & 15, 2004

[Russell Smith]

Mexico/USA

18:56:14 [thedog] Even a dog can tell the difference between being stumbled over and being kicked.

19:00:23 [thedog] Best Moments…that you intentionally created!

19:01:37 [MigueAngel] Well my best moment of the week was on Thursday night meeting, starting with an amazingly high “I Am” excercise and being able to understand Shakespeare’s “To be or not To be”!

19:01:56 [azavala] thedog> HASTA UN PERRO PUEDE DECIR LA DIFERENCIA ENTRE SER TROPEZADO O SER PATEADO.

19:02:41 [MigueAngel] That same night I was able to understand the idea of the possitive feedback to students instead of the famous photograph negative shots.

19:03:22 [MigueAngel] Is this really James or Alex disguised?

19:03:24 [thedog] MigueAngel> Bravo Maestro

19:03:43 [MigueAngel] oh now I see alex too!

19:03:53 [james] This is James under James

19:03:59 [azavala] thedog> LOS MEJORES MOMENTOS …QUE USTEDES HAYAN CREADO INTENCIONALMENTE.

19:04:06 [azavala] MigueAngel> YA VEO

19:04:10 [alex] This is Alex under Alex

19:04:15 [MigueAngel] james> Great to read from you sir!

19:04:56 [james] My best moment was doing the Slow Eating exercise at the Pot Luck today.

19:05:23 [azavala] MigueAngel> MI MEJOR MOMENTO DE ESTA SEMANA FUE EL JUEVES EN EL INTERCAMBIO EN LA NOCHE COMENZANDO CON UN SORPRENDENTE EJERCICIO DE “YO SOY” Y SIENDO CAPAZ DE ENTENDER LAS PALABRAS DE SHAKESPER “SER O NO SER”

19:06:04 [juanpablo] buenas tardes

19:06:11 [juanpablo] hello russ

19:06:12 [azavala] MigueAngel> LA MISMA NOCHE FUI CAPAZ DE ENTENDER LA IDEA DE LA RETROALIMENTACION POSITIVA A LOS ESTUDIANTES EN LUGAR DE LAS FAMOSAS FOTOGRAFIAS NEGATIVAS.

19:06:29 [alex] My best moment was with the Russian students here going through their process and especially their exercises and their efforts.

19:06:39 [azavala] MigueAngel> ¿ES JAMES O ALEX DISFRAZADA?

19:06:40 [thedog] My “intentionally created Best Moment:” Two April Fools today with two students from Russia … one who speaks english and one who does not … and the state of my silence was profound.

19:07:02 [azavala] james> ESTE ES JAMES COMO JAMES

19:07:27 [thedog] juanpablo> Hello my friend

19:07:49 [james] Alfonso, this is James and Alex is under her own name.

19:07:57 [MigueAngel] Congratulatios dear Master Teacher…. you always goes beyond our expectations!… that’s our Teacher… yeeeeehaaaa!

19: 19:08:28 [azavala] james> MI MEJOR EJERCICIO FUE COMER LENTAMENTE HOY.

19:08:31 [enrique] Hola a todos

19:09:05 [MigueAngel] Hola amigos… Russell les pide su mejor momento creado intencionalmente.

19:09:18 [azavala] alex> MI MEJOR MOMENTO FUE CON LOS ESTUDIANTES RUSOS AQUI RECORRIENDO SU PROCESO Y ESPECIALMENTE SUS EJERCICIOS Y SUS ESFUERZOS.

19:09:43 [juanpablo] en cuanto ala imaginacion si bien es algo que nos mantiene fuera de nosotros,y por lo tanto debemos eliminarla,mi pregunta es se debe de eliminar por completo?por que yo creo que tambien puede servir para el trabajo interno,lo que muchos llaman visualizar,pero que la visualizacion no es tambien im

19:09:54 [juanpablo] imaginacion

19:10:02 [MigueAngel] Another one was today having lunch with Berthina and a Cousin of hers and having two michelladas of bear!!! That was intentional.

19:10:07 [enrique] El mejor momento creado fuè al hacer el ejercicio del Yo soy

19:10:23 [azavala] thedog> MI MEJOR MOMENTO “CREADO INTENCIONALMENTE”. DOS APRIL FOOLS HOY CON DOS ESTUDIANTES DE RUSIA…UNO QUE HABLABA INGLÉS Y OTRO NO…Y EL ESTADO DE SILENCIO FUE PROFUNDO.

19:10:28 [alex] My intentional Best Moment was intentionally doing my board game very day.

19:11:19 [azavala] MigueAngel> FELICITACIONES QUERIDO MAESTRO…TU SIEMPRE VAS MÁS ALLÁ DE NUESTRAS EXPECTATIVAS….ESE ES NUESTRO MAESTRO…SIIIIIIIIIIII

19:11:25 [MigueAngel] Juan Pablo: in regards with imagination: I know that keeps us out of ourselves and therefore we must eliminate it, but my question is: do we must eliminate it completely? cause I believe we can use it like visualization is this so?

19:11:49 [MigueAngel] Enrique’s best and created intentionally was today, doing an I Am.

19:12:12 [azavala] MigueAngel> OTRO FUE HOY TOMANDO EL ALMUERZO CON BERTINA Y UN PRIMO DE ELLA Y TOMANDO DOS MICHELADAS DE CERVEZA!!! ESO FUE INTENCIONAL.

19:12:16 [juanpablo] mi mejor momento fue hoy al pelearme con mi novia ya que le esijo que ponga mas atencion en las cosas ,pero me di cuenta que esa no es la mejor manera(reclamandole) y eso me dio un gran momento de presencia

19:12:43 [azavala] alex> MI MEJOR MOMENTO INTENCIONAL FUE MI JUEGO DE MESA INTENCIONAL TODOS LOS DÍAS.

19:13:12 [enrique] estoy trabajando con una alarma de reloj cada 20 minutos eso me permite subirme a 10¡¡¡¡¡¡ y estar màs presente ¿es eso intencional?

19:13:18 [MigueAngel] Juan Pablos’ best was today fighting with his girlfriend demaning more attention from her and realizing that is not the best way and receiving a moment of presence.

19:13:18 [jorge] buenas tardes a todos ,hola Russell.

19:14:02 [MigueAngel] Enrique: I am working using an alarm clock every 20 minutes and that allows me to be at 10!!! is this to be more present and is this intentionality?

19:14:21 [thedog] juanpablo> Yes Gurdjieff said, we have the incredible power of imagination but use it for the wrong things. See more, in the “I am exercise” in Life is Real only Then When I am.

19:14:40 [jorge] Mi mejor momento fue hoy al ir al cine con mi esposa y al ver una pelicula me llevo a un gran momento de centro magnetico.

19:14:51 [thedog] enrique> Yee Haw Enrique

19:15:07 [renatta] mi mejor momento fue el dìa de jueves al pagar una deuda econòmica que tenìa mi Mamà y que no podìa ella solventar.

19:15:32 [juanpablo] ¡si la voluntad es parte del centro emocional,la no voluntad a cual pertenese?ya que el centro emocional no tiene una parte negativa segun mi entender,entonces la parte negativa por asi decirlo del centro emocional es la imaginacion.,o la negativa a hacer algo viene de algun otro centro?

19:15:39 [MigueAngel] Jorges’ best was today going to the movie teather with his wife and viewing a movie that generated a magnetic center moment.

19:15:53 [azavala] thedog> juanpablo.- SI GURDJIEFF DIJO, TENEMOS EL INCREIBLE PODER DE LA IMAGINACION PERO LO USAMOS EN COSAS EQUIVOCADAS. VE MÁS, EN EL EJERCICIO “YO SOY” EN LA VIDA ES REAL SOLO CUANDO YO SOY.

19:16:00 [MigueAngel] Renatta’s best on Thursday paying a debt to her mom.

19:16:31 [thedog] juanpablo> One must give….in order to get. External consider.

19:17:17 [azavala] thedog> juanpablo.- UNO DEBE DAR…A FIN DE OBTENER CONSIDERACION EXTERNA

19:17:21 [MigueAngel] Juan Pablo: if the will is part of the emotional center, where does it belong the “no-will”? because the emotional center hasn’t a negative part, so its negative part is imagination? or the refusal to do something? is it coming from another center?

19:18:02 [thedog] enrique> Very intentional. I used the same thing in my journey. We need to establish “Reminding Factors”. That is a great one. Congratulations for being wise enough to use it.

19:18:27 [renatta] la atenciòn y la intenciòn son elementos de la presencia, cuando estas 3 clases actuan nada puede ser mejor!

19:19:19 [enrique] Me he descubierto muchas veces en la nota MI, fza de negaciòn,sin embargo el estar haciendo lineas en el eneagrama me permite salir un poco màs rapido de la fza. de negaciòn algo me dice ea¡¡ crea la funciòn, ¿es correcto decir que en la gran mayorìa de los eneagramas la fza. de negaciòn es similar

19:19:32 [MigueAngel] Renatta: attention and intentios are elements of the presence…. when this three act together, nothing can be better isn’t it?

19:19:32 [azavala] thedog> enrique.- MUY INTENCIONAL. YO USO LO MISMO EN MI VIAJE. NECESITAMOS ESTABLECER “FACTORES DE RECUERDO”. ESE ES UNO GRANDIOSO. FELICITACIONES POR SER SUFICIENTEMENTE SABIO PARA USARLO.

19:19:32 [jorge] En el eneagrama esoterico un intervalo esta en MI- FA Y SÍ-DO , en el eneagrama diatonico también es así?

19:19:34 [enrique] a los demàs eneagramas?

19:20:29 [juanpablo] dice nicol que el hombre antes estaba en contacto con dios (los centros superiores)pero perdio fuerza ya que siempre decia si nunca habia una negativa,se dice que si el centro intelectual no tuviera su parte negativa no podriamos pensar,se nesesita esa parte negativa,lo cual creo que tiene logica

19:21:16 [renatta] còmo hacer vìvido en mi misma el tèrmino visualizaciòn?.

19:21:17 [MigueAngel] Enrique: I have discovered many times in the MI note, denying forze, nevertheless in doing the enneagram lines that allows me to come out faster from the denying forze and something tells me: create the function! is it correct to say that in the mayority of enneagrams the denying force is similar?

19:21:35 [juanpablo] ya que si no tenemos una parte negativa en el centro intelectual no podriamos efectuar el trabajo en nosotros.¡estoy bien?

19:22:02 [MigueAngel] Jorge: in the esoteric Enneagram there are intervals at MI-FA and Ti-Do, is the same thing in the Diatonic one?

19:22:04 [thedog] juanpablo> There is a negative part to the emotional center. It is discuessed in chapter 11-12 13? in the Fourth Way (look in the Index at the back). Will is in every center and is also the resultant of more unified centers. Will of Man #1, #2, #3, etc.

19:23:05 [thedog] renatta> It is very good.

19:24:01 [MigueAngel] Juan Pablo: Nicoll mentions that man was in contact with God (higher centers) but he lost his strength because the lack of a denying force. It has been said that if the intelectual center wouldn’t have a negative part, we wouldn’t be able to think. So we need those negative parts, is this so?

19:24:36 [MigueAngel] Renatta: how can I make more vivifying in myself the visualization?

19:24:41 [thedog] enrique> Yes, all denying forces taste the same to the octave that is experiencing them.

19:24:41 [azavala] thedog> juanpablo.- HAY UNA PARTE NEGATIVA PARA EL CENTRO EMOCIONAL. ES DISCUTIDO EN EL CAPITULO 11-12-13? EN EL “CUARTO CAMINO” (MIRA EN EL INDICE EN LA PARTE DE ATRAS). LA VOLUNTAD ESTA EN CADA CENTRO Y ES TAMBIEN LA RESULTANTE DE LOS CENTROS MAS UNIFICADOS. VOLUNTAD DEL HOMBRE #1, #2, #3, ETC.

19:25:05 [csmith] “reminding factors” were mentioned at 19:18:02. The knowledge that each note in an octave resonates somewhere else and cause a change in direction, even before you have to “swim the moat and cross the wall” have been good reminding factors.

19:25:05 [azavala] thedog> renatta.- ES MUY BUENO.

19:26:23 [azavala] thedog> enrique.- SI, TODAS LAS FUERZAS DE NEGACION SE SIENTEN IGUAL EN LA OCTAVA QUE ESTA EXPERIMENTANDOLAS.

19:26:24 [enrique] quiero decir que he descubierto que en gran medida la fuerza de negaciòn es Mecanicidad? o la propia mecanicidad me hace verlo como fza. de negacion?

19:26:33 [csmith] dogtale #52: The best way to have attention of thought is to be able to think deliberately.

19:27:56 [jorge] Según la máquina de Jorge cuando realizo su semana del Despertar según entendio que habia despertado conscientemente ú objetivamente , sí esto es así como es posible que uno pueda volver a dormir? .Es posible si no realizo ejercicios en el sentido del Despertar , volver a caer en el sueño?

19:28:13 [MigueAngel] Enrique: I want to say that I have discovered that in great mesure the denying force is mechanicalness, or is it that mechanicalness make mne see that as denying force?

19:28:23 [juanpablo] es por eso que tenemos que unificar los centros ?ya que el centro intelectula puede decir que si a algo que se quiere hacer y luego el centro emocional se niega a hacerlo?

19:28:42 [thedog] jorge> The intervals are foung on the first two pages of Chapter 7 – Cosmic Secrets. The diatonic enneagram shows how 3 denying forces at Fa-La-Do, can be overcome by shock octaves, which start at Mi-So-Ti…and all the lines of supervision that are required to successfully complete an event.

19:28:42 [renatta] leìa que para que las impresiones entren de manera correcta en el hombre hay que aplicar el trabajo emocionalmente, esto es lo que sucede en Renatta cuando aplica en sì misma el trabajo.

19:29:23 [azavala] csmith> “FACTORES DE RECUERDO” FUERON MENCIONADOS EN 19:18:02. EL CONOCIMIENTO QUE CADA NOTA EN UNA OCTAVA RESUEVA EN ALGUN OTRO LUGAR Y CAUSA UN CAMBIO DE DIRECCION, INCLUSO ANTES DE QUE TENGAS QUE NADAR EL FOSO Y CRUZAR EL MURO, HAN SIDO BUENOS FACTORES DE RECUERDO.

19:30:01 [juanpablo] el objetivo es llegar ala parte intelectaual de cada centro y quedarnos hay(centros superiores)

19:30:07 [azavala] csmith> DOGTALE#52. LA MEJOR MANERA DE GANAR ATENCION DE PENSAMIENTO ES SER CAPAZ DE PENSAR DELIBERADAMENTE.

19:30:22 [azavala] SALUDOS HERMANO MIGUEL…!!!

19:30:26 [MigueAngel] Jorge: my machine has realized that in his awakening week I awaken consciously or objectively; if this is so how come I fall asleep again? Is it possible that if I do not perform the exercises to fall asleep again and again?

19:31:19 [thedog] juanpablo> It is more simple. Man emerged…..Reason tamed the earth (no denying forces, i.e., threats to life)….Atlantis sinks (man loses the function of Higher Emotional Center — not enough parts.

19:31:31 [MigueAngel] Juan Pablo: is this the reason to unify the centers?-…. I mean because the intellectual center can say something and the emotional center refuses to do so?

19:32:08 [renatta] Comprender algo es cuando se actua y vive de acuerdo a eso que comprendiste, tiene un matiz emocional, es vivir de acuerdo a eso? deberìa ser còmo cuando sabes que el fuego quema?

19:32:15 [MigueAngel] Juan Pablo: then is it the aim to reach the intellectual part of every center and to remain there? (higher centers)

19:32:27 [azavala] thedog> jorge.- LOS INTERVALOS SE ENCUENTRAN EN LAS DOS PRIMERAS PAGINAS DEL CAPITULO 7 DE “SECRETOS COSMICOS”. EL DIAGRAMA DIATONICO MUESTRA COMO LAS TRES FUERZAS DE NEGACION EN FA-LA-FO, PUEDE CRUZARSE MEDIANTE SHOCKS EN LAS OCTAVAS, LAS CUALES EMPIEZAN EN MI-SOL-SI…Y TODAS LAS LINEAS DE

19:32:42 [azavala] SUPERVISION SON REQUERIDAS COMPLETAR EXITOSAMENTE UN EVENTO.

19:33:52 [MigueAngel] Renatta: to understand something is when we act and live in agreement to the understanding, and it has an emotional nuance; it is to live in agreement with that?… should it be like when we know the fire burns?

19:34:47 [thedog] jorge> Gurdjieff says, “tremendous forces driving us back to the old ways”. My works allows you to experience unification of centers and consciousness. But after Creation come the Laws of World-maintenance. If you don’t plow, you don’t get paid.

19:34:57 [azavala] thedog> juanpablo.- ES MAS SIMPLE. EL HOMBRE EMERGE…LA RAZÓN DOMESTICO A LA TIERRA (NO HAY FUERZAS DE NEGACION, POR EJEMPLO QUE AMENACEN A LA VIDA)…LA ATLANTIDA SE HUNDIO (EL HOMBRE PERDIO LA FUNCION DEL CENTRO EMOCIONAL SUPERIOR—NO HAY SUFICIENTES PARTES)

19:35:15 [csmith] james greetings to you and Alejandra

19:35:49 [MigueAngel] REnatta: I read that in order for the impressions to come in correctly we need to use emotionally the work and that is what happens to Renatta when she apply in herself the work.

19:36:01 [thedog] juanpablo> If the horse, driver, carriage and passenger don’t unify to do the same thing…It is chaos!

19:37:07 [thedog] renatta> Very good. In that, there is certainty!

19:37:14 [azavala] thedog> jorge.- GURDJIEFF DIJO “FUERZAS FORMIDABLES NOS REGRESAN A LOS CAMINOS ANTIGUOS”. MI TRABAJO LES PERMITE EXPERIMENTAR LA UNIFICACION DE LOS CENTROS Y LA CONCIENCIA. PERO DESPUES DE LA CREACION VIENEN LAS LEYES DEL MANTENIMENTO DEL MUNDO. SI TU NO SIEMBRAS, NO PUEDES COSECHAR.

19:38:06 [azavala] thedog> juanpablo.- SI EL CABALLO, EL CONDUCTOR, EL CARRUAJE Y EL PASAJERO NO SE UNIFICAN HACIENDO LO MISMO…ES UN CAOS!!!

19:38:50 [azavala] thedog> renatta.- MUY BIEN. EN ESO. HAY CERTIDUMBRE.

19:39:19 [MigueAngel] Renatta was asking: how can I make more effective my visualization?

19:39:21 [thedog] renatta> Again, Renatta … Perfecto

19:39:51 [azavala] thedog> renatta.- NUEVAMENTE RENATTA…PERFECTO.

19:41:03 [MigueAngel] gon> Russell preguntó por nuestro mejor momento magnético causado intencionalmente.

19:41:13 [juanpablo] me he dado cuenta que la maquina es mas fuerte de lo que ceia, te juega muchas jugarretas,lo bueno es que me doy cuenta ,y aveses digo ¡como es posible que tengo todo para lograr mi cristalizacion,y hay dias que no hago los ejercicios,es increible que teniendo todo,para lograrlo hay dias que no

19:41:14 [renatta] los estados negativos por decirlo de alguna forma son contagiosos? es como subir y bajar, es màs ràpido y requiere menos esfuerzos bajar, ¿es correcto?

19:41:53 [jorge] Quiere decir que si realizo los ejercicios maestros y el trabajo encomendado y sugerido no caere en el sueño?

19:42:06 [enrique] No se entendio mi pregunta?

19:42:14 [thedog] renatta> Some of the Master Exercises will help. Also, look at a picture…then stop looking and visualize what it looks like…open your eyes and see how you did.

19:42:57 [juanpablo] estudio al 100 porciento,lo bueno de esto es que me doy cuenta y lo resuelvo,,pero dia con dia la maquine saca nuevos trucos ,pero creo que le voy ganando

19:43:11 [MigueAngel] Juan Pablo: I have realized the machine is several times more strong that I thought. I plays games and tricks you. The good thing is I realize that and some times I tell to myself: how is it possible that I have everything to achieve crystalization and there are days I don’t do my exercises?

19:43:23 [jorge] a que se refieren cuando se habla de centro magnetico causado intencionalmente?

19:43:46 [azavala] thedog> renatta.- ALGUNOS DE LOS EJERCICIOS MAESTROS AYUDARAN. TAMBIEN BUSCA UNA IMAGEN…ENTONCES PARA DE MIRARLA Y VISUALIZALA TAL COMO ES…ABRE TUS OJOS Y VE QUÉ TAN BIEN LO HICISTE.

19:44:13 [MigueAngel] Renatta: are the negative states contagious? is it like going down because it requires less effort?

19:44:48 [MigueAngel] Jorge: does this mean that if I don’t do the Master exercises and the recommended work, I will fall asleep again?

19:44:54 Shirley enters this room

19:45:11 [juanpablo] pero curiosamente el tabajo me da fuerza para confrontar ala maquina y creo que eso es lo que me permitira lograr mi cristalizacion

19:46:04 [csmith] juanpablo the machine is just a machine. Certain “Is” are quite strong and toxic. Those are what must be overcome and tamed.

19:46:14 [Shirley] Alexey is here .. He might use my computer .

19:46:28 [jorge] Me puedes dar un ejemplo?

19:46:49 [enrique] ¿es mi propia mecanicidad la que puede incrementar la fuerza de negaciòn en la nota MI, es decir la fza de negaciòn es minima de manera natural?

19:46:56 [MigueAngel] Juan Pablo: curiously the work gives me force to comfront the machine and I believe that will allow me to succeed in crystalizing correctly!

19:46:59 [jorge] El aprill foll por ejemplo?

19:47:00 [thedog] juanpablo> The finest tools in the world may do the job perfectly … but not by themselves. It is only a question of sufficient efforts to create the shift to a new station. And from there, to a new station. It is a Law, and all life is mathematics. So there is a formula.

19:47:08 [gon] Me estaba sientiendo nostaljico y comense a observar las holas romindo en la palya, personas que obserbavan en paisaje (yo era parte del paisaje paara ellas y ellas eran parte del paisaaje para mi. Pbserve todo al rededor. Asi que me senti solo y a la vez muy acompanado. Lo mantuve por algun rato y

19:47:11 [azavala] csmith> JUAN PABLO.- LA MAQUINA ES JUSTAMENTE UNA MAQUINA. CIERTOS YOES SON MUY FUERTES Y TOXICOS. ESOS SON LOS QUE DEBEMOS SUPERAR Y CONQUISTAR.

19:47:22 [renatta] esta semana estuve constantemente haciendo el OM y puedo sentir la diferencia, verdaderamente se ordena mi interior.

19:47:38 [csmith] welcome Alexy

19:47:46 [juanpablo] joge un ejemplo podria ser ,manejar rapido y asi buscar un momento de centro magnetico

19:48:23 [thedog] juanpablo> Formula: E x F = R … Efforts times frequency equals results

19:48:53 [gon] y de pronto llego la presencia y me dijo “”” Aqui Estoy “””, nunca estaras solo mientras me recuerdes.

19:48:53 [jorge] O.k.

19:49:27 [MigueAngel] Enrique asks: is my own mechanicity the one that increases the denying force at MI; I mean the denying force is low naturally?

19:50:04 [azavala] thedog> juanpablo.- LAS HERRAMIENTAS MAS FINAS EN EL MUNDO PUEDEN HACER EL TRABAJO PERFECTAMENTE…PERO NO POR ELLAS MISMAS. ES SOLO CUESTION DE SUFICIENTES ESFUERZOS PARA CREAR EL CAMBIO A UNA NUEVA ESTACION. Y DE AHÍ, A UNA NUEVA ESTACION. ES LA LEY, Y TODA LA VIDA ES MATEMATICAS. ASÍ QUE HAY

19:50:08 [azavala] UNA FORMULA.

19:50:08 [thedog] jorge> There is a very ancient and wise saying from the Bible, “What ever you do not use, you lose”.

19:50:25 [Verónica] Hola a todos, Hi everybody. Sorry pero todos los ciber estaban cerrados y encontré este y por fin tengo mi premio, estar con ustedes.

19:50:51 [thedog] juanpablo> Bravo Juan Pablo

19:51:09 [MigueAngel] Gonzalo; I did a light walking at the beach with the waves and finally keeping my presence something said: “I am here” and you will never be alone if you remember ME.!!!

19:51:11 [azavala] thedog> juanpablo.- FORMULA: E X F = R….ESFUERZOS POR FRECUENCIA IGUAL A RESULTADOS.

19:51:48 [MigueAngel] REnatta I osbserved this week after many OMs that my inner side gets ordered!!!

19:52:09 [azavala] thedog> jorge.- HAY UN DICHO MUY SABIO Y VIEJO DE LA BIBLIA, “TODO LO QUE NO USES LOS PERDERAS”

19:52:37 [MigueAngel] juanpablo> no, no, no…. al contrario, sería usualmente manejar rápido y ahora ir despacio intencionalmente para que al dominar a la maquina… tu crees el momento magnetico.

19:53:39 [Verónica] El jueves trabajé 2a línea con un estudiante de Alfonso, llegó en un estado de consideración interna muy fuerte al grado que segùn él había tomado la desición de dejar el Trabajo porque no servía para esto. Lo estuve escuchando activamente y pude comprender en unos instantes que el Trabajo me …

19:53:47 [james] juanpablo> Dog Tale 44 applies to efforts… when there is more, more is added, where ther is less, even that is taken away.

19:53:53 [MigueAngel] Ve´rónica: sorry every cyber near me were closed and finally I got one and I am here to receive my prize to be here with you.

19:54:31 [juanpablo] MigueAngel> es lo que puedas hacer en contra de lo avitos

19:54:53 [Verónica] puede sustentar y de la misma manera irradiarlo a los demás. Asimismo comprendí y vibre de emoción, al verificar el Amor que nos tiene Russ, con su paciencia y tolerancia nos impulsa a seguir. Gracias Russ.

19:55:01 [thedog] enrique> The less we are prepared for denying forces, the bigger they seem. If I came with a big steel lever, then the big heavy rock is, now, only a stone.

19:55:31 [azavala] james> juanpablo.- EL DOGTALE 44 SE APLICA A LOS ESFUERZOS…DONDE HAY MAS, MAS SERA AÑADIDO, DONDE HAY MENOS, INCLUSO ESO SERA PERDIDO.

19:55:47 [thedog] gon> Bravo Sir

19:56:44 [MigueAngel] Verónica: last Thursday I worke second line with an Alfonso Castillo’s student and he was inner considering and planning to quit the work. I listened to him actively and I understood quickly that the Work allows me to be and can give it to others. And I was able to remember the Love from Russ and..

19:56:47 [MigueAngel] His tolerance.

19:57:11 [thedog] Verónica>

19:57:30 [azavala] thedog> enrique.- CUANTO MENOS ESTEMOS PREPARADOS PARA LAS FUERZAS DE NEGACION, MAS GRANDES PARECEN. SI VENGO CON UNA PALANCA DE ACERO, ENTONCES LA ROCA GRANDE Y PESADA ES, AHORA, SOLO UNA PIEDRA.

19:57:42 [jorge] Habitos?

19:57:42 [juanpablo] eso si lo he comprobado entre mas trabajo mejor son los resultados,!siempre y cuando lo haga!

19:58:22 [juanpablo] MigueAngel> entonces me esplique mal ,eso es lo que queria decir

19:58:31 [MigueAngel] Juan Pablo; I do have verified that the more I work, the more results I get, only If I make the efforts.!

19:59:59 [enrique] ok.the Dog tale 80 cuando tengas la confianza de la presencia seras capaz de representarte en cualquier forma q lo intentes¡¡¡

20:00:11 [thedog] juanpablo>

20:00:44 [MigueAngel] Enrique aphorism 80!

20:01:15 [csmith] Good day, friends and loved ones. Thank you for sharing your presence.

20:01:38 [MigueAngel] csmith> Thank you for your Presence here dear Charles.

20:01:40 [azavala] csmith> BUEN DIA, AMADOS AMIGOS. GRACIAS POR COMPARTIR SU PRESENCIA.

20:01:41 [MigueAngel] We love you.

20:01:51 [thedog] enrique> Yes.

20:02:00 [juanpablo] el problema es que hay dia que ma pierdo en la vida,y olvido el trabajo,o si me acuerdo pongo un pretexto(por ejemplo estoy cansado) pero no lo permitire, voy a trabajar en ello

20:03:12 [thedog] You have all asked very good questions and have kept my fingers busy, I hope you received answers that will add to you work.

20:03:36 [MigueAngel] Juan Pablo: the problem is that I get lost in life. I forget the work or if I remember I put a pretext like being tired, but I won’t allow that any more, I will work on that.

20:04:04 [thedog] juanpablo> You are my hero!

20:04:08 [azavala] thedog> USTEDES HAN HECHO MUY BUENAS PREGUNTAS Y HAN MANTENIDO MIS DEDOS OCUPADOS, ESPERO QUE RECIBAN RESPUESTAS QUE AYUDARAN A SU TRABAJO.

20:04:40 [enrique] en el primer pergamino de la obra de og mandino se refiere a los habitos, es grandioso como despertador y posibilidad de cambiar un habito al recordar el pergamino 1¡¡¡

20:04:46 [MigueAngel] thedog> Thank You beloved master Teacher and do Loved friend. Your Love permeates my soul and the soul of our School and students. Thank You for being ALIVE!!… I am very touched right now!

20:04:55 [azavala] —CORRECCIÓN.- …QUE HAYAN RECIBIDO RESPUESTAS

20:05:01 [renatta] como seres de hàbitos que somos, una posibilidad de trabajar haciendo de mi meta mi Dios es comenzar a trabajar con uno de ellos.

20:05:08 [jorge] Grcias Russell.

20:05:28 [enrique] Thanks Rusell

20:05:37 [MigueAngel] Russell se está despidiendo. Buenas noches a todos.

20:05:58 [MigueAngel] Thank you all for your efforts. Love to Shirley and Alex and James and all!!!

20:05:59 [renatta] gracias a todos, besos,

20:05:59 [enrique] gracias Miguel buenas noches

20:06:14 [Verónica] Thanks dear Master, I love you. and Alex, James and Shirley

20:06:17 [juanpablo] i love you russ,

20:06:32 [Verónica] Gracias Alfonso y Miguel Ángel por su compartir…

20:06:56 [azavala] MigueAngel> thedog.- GRACIAS AMADO MAESTRO Y ADORABLE AMIGO. TU AMOR PERMEA MI ALMA Y EL ALMA DE NUESTRA ESCUELA Y DE LOS ESTUDIANTES. GRACIAS POR MANTENERNOS VIVOS!!…ESTOY MUY EMOCIONADO JUSTO EN ESTE MOMENTO.

20:07:05 [Verónica] Un beso a Gonzalo

20:07:08 [enrique] Gracias a todos abrazos.

20:07:16 [thedog] I love you all my friends. It is a great part of my week to be with you here in this forum.

20:07:21 [jorge] Good Night, hasta pronto , Gracia sMiguel y Alfonzo por ayudar a traducirnos.Saludos al grupo de texas.

20:07:21 [james] Thank you all for your questions, answers and observations. I learned so much today that I wouldn’t have if I have not come to the chat. Thank you again.

20:07:41 [azavala] SALUDOS AMIGOS Y COMPAÑEROS.- BUENAS NOCHES!!!! GRACIAS.

20:08:05 [juanpablo] gracias a todos le mando un abrazo

20:08:08 [thedog] See you all next week. DOG GONE

20:08:09 [alex] Buenas noches, mis amigos. Hasta pronto!!!

20:08:29 [azavala] thedog> LOS AMO A TODOS MIS AMIGOS. ES UNA GRAN PARTE DE MI SEMANA ESTAR CON USTEDES, AQUÍ EN ESTE FORO.

20:08:30 [jorge] GRACIAS A TODOS Y SALUDOS AL GRUPO DE TEXAS.

20:08:51 [james] Buenas noches y hasta luego!!! Good night and see y’all soon!!!

20:10:12 [azavala] james> GRACIAS POR TODAS SUS PREGUNTAS, RESPUESTAS Y OBSERVACIONES. APRENDI TANTO HOY COMO NO LO HUBIERA HECHO SI NO HUBIERA INGRESADO AL CHAT. GRACIAS DE NUEVO.

20:12:40 [Verónica] Renatta abre tu mesanger de hotmail, pidele al del ciber que te diga como.-..

England/USA

15:53:37 [jperrott] Greetings to all!

15:56:00 [petehoang] hi jperrott

15:56:54 [jperrott] petehoang> Hi! Who are you and what is your connection to us?

15:57:18 [petehoang] I am me and I am connected in some way

15:57:29 [jperrott] How?

15:57:30 [petehoang] just kidding … I am just starting with Russell

15:57:55 [jperrott] Gotcha! Then welcome to the corale!

15:58:04 [petehoang] Thanks

15:58:28 [jperrott] I look forward to you becoming free from “me”!

15:58:50 [petehoang] me?

15:59:10 [petehoang] I don’t even know you, I am already free

15:59:14 [jperrott] Yes.

16:00:00 [jperrott] Great! That’s a very productive conversation.

16:00:05 [thedog] Greetings Mr. Hoang and Mr. Perrott.

16:00:23 [petehoang] Hi Russell

16:00:26 [scrivs] jperrott> petehoangthedogTony greetings All !

16:00:30 [jperrott] thedog> …and to you sir!

16:00:43 [petehoang] hi gang

16:00:56 [gary] good evening all

16:01:00 [jperrott] …and to everyone else.

16:01:22 [thedog] Best Moment…that you intentionally created

16:01:47 [Tony] evening all

16:02:06 [petehoang] what are the topics of conversation here?

16:02:13 [thedog] petehoang> How is your reading of Greatest salesman in the World and Cosimc Secrets progressing?

16:02:19 [csmith] Best moment: Leaving a home-cooked meal in the fridge for Angela as I departed on Tuesday

16:02:30 [petehoang] I read the first 3 chapters

16:02:48 [petehoang] and the first couple of pages of cosmic secrets

16:03:10 [gary] b/m getting a grip on self pity by externally considering which changed to shame

16:03:21 [Tony] B.M. getting a better idea of who my higher is.

16:03:24 [thedog] First we share Best Moments…that you intentionally created. Expression the work and results you accomplished this week.

16:03:43 [thedog] petehoang> Good start!

16:03:56 [scrivs] thedog> BM ( intentional) -to sit, become present and doaway withthe background noise . Nice.

16:03:56 [petehoang] I journal my thoughts and achieved some moments of self-remembering

16:04:03 [james] BM My memory work in class today.

16:04:19 [petehoang] It felt good

16:04:42 [thedog] petehoang> Have you kept to your aim and not looked at the ending?

16:05:07 [petehoang] I focus on the ending all the time

16:05:18 [petehoang] I think it causes frustration

16:05:28 [thedog] scrivs> Looks like you got rid of a couple of spaces, too.

16:05:55 [james] BM cont. it was a Higher moment from January that I came across and by making it my own it has evenmore value to me than when I first wrote it.

16:06:04 [petehoang] it says in the greatest salesman in the world, the difference between him and the beggar was that he saw his last meal, while the beggar only saw his next meal

16:06:16 [petehoang] so I am confused. I thought we have to plan for the ending?

16:06:38 [thedog] gary> Remember to keep the external, external. It only becomes internal, if YOU allow it in.

16:07:11 [petehoang] ohh, keep the external … external

16:07:16 [petehoang] hmm

16:07:29 [petehoang] how do we stop it from coming in?

16:07:39 [alex] My best moment that I intentional created was with Alexey when we were doing his objective prayer. I did a Master exercise while working with him and was with him and his emotions in that moment.

16:07:44 [thedog] petehoang> Yet, he who makes the next moment the last moment will savor all that there is.

16:07:55 [gary] B/M intentionally finishing my memory work of the treatise up to …evolution and involution.

16:09:06 [stevew] thedog> Best (intentional) moment: Considering an offer from JP and purging some false material.

16:09:27 [thedog] scrivs> I was being Humor Russ at what you typed “doaway withthe”. You got rid of a couple of spaces.

16:10:11 [thedog] petehoang> Occupy the place with something intentionally.

16:10:50 [thedog] gary> Great. I look forward to seeing which one wins.

16:11:53 [thedog] My Best Moment. Awakening two Russians yesterday, Glorious Day. We will son have the book published in Russian.

16:12:44 [scrivs] thedog> Great stuffski !

16:12:52 [thedog] After sharing your Best Moment , who has a question?

16:13:57 [thedog] stevew> Purge, purge more, purge more than more, hail the purger.

16:14:53 [csmith] I’m in favor of purging, too!

16:15:07 [petehoang] I read in a tantra book that one becomes a magnet by giving. How do I start giving?

16:15:28 [Tony] thedog> is everything subjective illusory?

16:15:40 [gary] Beelzebub’s p. 758 -Why did, ” the initially given momentum for the fundamental completing process, loose half the force of its vivifyingness at this point ?

16:16:20 [thedog] jperrott> JP, you can answer Pete’s last question better than I…Please…before I throw a tantrum.

16:16:51 [thedog] Tony> No, it is subjective. It may be true for me, but not for you.

16:16:52 [petehoang] I have this dileman where I don’t really like to go out (leave the house), but I also want to meet someone.

16:16:59 [petehoang] dilemna

16:17:35 [petehoang] I hope I haven’t offended anyone with my questions

16:18:02 [petehoang] those are the questions I’ve asked myself today

16:18:02 [scrivs] thedog> ” The Material Question” :- G. has to provide for 12, 21, 46 , 100 and 200 people at various times. This must be allegory. ALL those folk could not be so utterly dependant. The meaning ? The whole issue is incredible, unless it all points to effort , effort, effort,….Is that at all near

16:18:09 [csmith] From last week: What is the purpose of life in general and particularly the aim and purpose of the life of man? When you get close enough to that one, the answer will swoop you up and you will begin to fall forward. Comments from the group?

16:18:15 [scrivs] your reading ??

16:18:45 [thedog] petehoang> Ther is no such thing as a bad or offensive question. There are only wrong answers. We, here, try to avoid that.

16:19:06 [jperrott] thedog> Sorry! I was side-tracked talking to Juliet.

16:19:30 [jperrott] petehoang> Dilemma?

16:19:38 [gary] jperrott> hello and love to juliet

16:19:47 [csmith] Russ posed this question, the Gurdjieff question to the group last week.

16:20:11 [petehoang] jp, how does one start giving?

16:20:16 [csmith] He also said, “It would be a great assignment for everyone to consider what the completing principle means and why you run when you see it!”

16:20:17 [petehoang] when one does know anyone

16:20:19 [jperrott] petehoang> Giving is selfless. Self accommodates the other. That is attractive.

16:20:25 [petehoang] does=doesn’t

16:20:48 [jperrott] gary> Hello and love to you too.

16:21:00 [thedog] scrivs> One, who has accepted the role of a guide, must provide guidance. As to the number sequence, I have no idea

16:21:33 [jperrott] petehoang> One knows to the degree that one pays attention.

16:22:42 [scrivs] thedog> The numbers were not in that sqeuence. Thanx.

16:22:42 [jperrott] thedog> Is whatever your talking about to Scriv shareable?

16:22:50 [thedog] csmith> Thank you Charles, I was waitin for someone to remember. You get the prize. Please accept it by telling us of your considerations on the subject.

16:23:24 [petehoang] how does one become better at paying attention?

16:23:42 [thedog] jperrott> see 16:18:02

16:24:01 [scrivs] jperrott> See 16.8.02.

16:24:31 [thedog] scrivs> Wow…S.E.R.

16:24:35 [petehoang] JP, thanks for your thoughts on giving

16:24:36 [jperrott] petehoang> 1. intention 2. Being quiet inside 3. Practice

16:25:46 [jperrott] scrivs> Ta!

16:25:50 [csmith] The aim and purpose of the life of man, as it comes to me, is to complete himself. The road-map for doing so, the obligolnian-strivings.

16:26:44 [gary] thedog> hows about 16:15:40

16:27:01 [petehoang] JP, yes I have to regularly remember my aim

16:27:35 [james] thedog> When you begin to have an aim, you begin to move towards it… no aim, no movement. When the aim is to complete your higher being body before you die, you better start moving now!!!

16:28:16 [jperrott] petehoang> So do we all!

16:29:02 [thedog] gary> Thanks Gary…missed that one. It is when all the octaves, created in the Holy Sun Absolute, half — at 360 (see chapter 7)

16:29:43 [gary] thedog> thank you

1616:30:02 [scrivs] csmith> RE. 16.8.09 :- today, after a moment when my self love had diminished I was given to see my utter dependence on the environment.Yet there was a part/role for me. No problem in that . Most acceptable.

16:31:14 [csmith] john p. told me rather elegantly (my paraphrase) that the third striving (or CS) is the picture on the box that is not on the coffee table or the lid of the grand piano, but residing internally.

16:32:40 [thedog] TO ALL. Charles has responded to the question posed last week: “It would be a great assignment for everyone to consider what the completing principle means and why you run when you see it!” Now, it is your turn.

16:32:57 [james] thedog> I am moving more towards my aim with every day that passes. It is becoming aphorism #44… where there is more, more is added. There is a momentum that I am starting to feel in my being from choosing to make more efforts each day that the day before.

16:34:54 [petehoang] I spend a lot of time on my hobbies (ie. psychic methods, martial arts). Is that really part of an aim? It really is fun doing it.

16:35:48 [Tony] thedog> I am not aware of having seen it and so can not remember running.

16:36:02 [jperrott] petehoang> Well, if they’re not part of yours and you’re doing them – they are surely not parts of anybody else’s!

16:36:33 [petehoang] hehe well they are fun doing but I forget my aim of meeting a mate

16:36:55 [petehoang] I spend most of my time on my hobbies

16:37:47 [jperrott] petehoang> Any activity that may be useful to us objectively, is inevitably perceived as having meaning and significance. Any that don’t – trash them!

16:38:01 [thedog] Best Moment # 2: Marlen Papava, who found the work in 1957 and who, until 1991, was in jeopardy of being arrested for reading Gurdjieff, persisted and found THE DOG, and is now taking Gurdjieff’f work, objectively, back to Russia. We now have Russian Ruskies.

16:38:36 [petehoang] I know watching a good movie gives me a deep moment in self-remembering.

16:38:37 [stevew] thedog> The completing principle comes from outside the concentration in which the completing process occurs and is a “perfect” fit between what has been produced and what is needful. The need draws the offer and accepts it with gratitude.

16:39:26 [thedog] stevew> Thank you Steve

16:42:27 [thedog] Tony> Get with Steve, he seems to have figured it out.

16:43:12 [thedog] Any other questions?????

16:43:12 [stevew] thedog> The father greets the prodigal sone and leads him home. It is the father who is running, in his joy, and the son runs to keep up.

16:43:22 [Tony] thedog> Yea, will do

16:44:19 [thedog] stevew> nice

16:45:31 [jperrott] stevew> Perhaps – the father strides exhuberantly – and the son has to run to keep up!

16:45:41 [gary] thedog> I cannot do any better than last week which was to say; does it feel like running home after an horrifing experience!

16:45:43 [Tony] thedog> How does alcohol and cannabis help in the work if we have to rely on them to achieve a certain state?

16:46:27 [scrivs] jperrott> A BM was when , in an instant, I, or some other part of me , saw the futility of false personality’s attitude that it could do. The attitude fell away. There followed moments of peace.

16:46:46 [stevew] jperrott> Indeed.

16:46:49 [thedog] Question: What is significant about the odd “s” octaves and their position as to where they stand in the order of creation?

16:48:03 [jperrott] scrivs> Good insight. In spite of his stubbornness, he’s only to please to drop the game once he’s convinced that he’s lost!

16:48:33 [thedog] gary> Running, at the beginning, to escape is different that running, when you see your house, to safty.

16:49:46 [thedog] scrivs> or…”there followed moments of non-piece”

16:51:01 [jperrott] Tony> Pending Russ’ more comprehensive answer – we don’t.

16:51:28 [thedog] Tony> They can strengthen the power to wish . But don’t make a ritual out of them

16:54:08 [Tony] thedog> Is their a connection to a higher when an orgasm occurs?

16:55:01 [scrivs] thedog> What is the most effective and quickest wat to enable one to see and realise that one is not the center of the Universe ?

16:55:04 [thedog] Tony> For the physical octave, there can be nothing better.

16:55:44 [petehoang] scrivs, what makes you think that’s not true (okay, just kidding. hehe)

16:56:05 [thedog] scrivs> Find someone else’s moon?

16:57:40 [Tony] thedog> what about the other octaves?

16:57:51 [thedog] Three minutes left. Ask or forever hold your peace.

16:58:28 [scrivs] thedog> Do you mean No. 9 ??

16:58:31 [petehoang] Thanks Russ. I am done.

16:59:56 [thedog] Tony> For the Kesdjan octave, orgasm is only at SO, and for the Higer-being octave it is only a Mi. No big deal!

17:00:32 [gary] thedog> where do i look in myself for this safty ?

17:01:10 [jperrott] The odd ‘s’ octaves are complementary Affirming/Denying forces that swop roles in the downflow of the Weave.

17:01:19 [thedog] gary> At a Nine! Do you understand?

17:01:31 [Tony] thedog> does it wipe out the food octave, is it detrimental?

17:02:03 [gary] thedog> yeah I’ll go for a 10 !

17:03:39 [stevew] Tony> Tantra uses sustained orgasm to unify centres but you have to learn how to insulate yourself from the experience or it has no value for the higher.

17:03:56 [csmith] dear friends and loved ones, I’m leaving the chat for now. Best wishes, Charles

17:04:02 [thedog] Tony> No Sir. There can be three octaves in motion together. The lower is fulfilled by lower things; the higher by higher things. But we need all three in concert in ourselves. It is not about food.

17:05:56 [Tony] thedog> what about the zipper incident?

17:06:22 [thedog] DONG DONG Thanks for being here. See y’all next week.

17:06:37 [thedog] Tony> What zipper?

17:07:00 [stevew] Goodnight, all!

17:07:26 [gary] bye for now

17:07:27 [Tony] thedog> catch your thing in your zipper results in no sex for 2 weeks create all notes of food?

17:09:21 [thedog] Tony> Hahahahaha. Gurdjieff joked at monks, who abstained from sex, and who became fat and stinky as a result. Don’t take the law cards literally.

17:09:44 [james] Have a good week… from James and Alex

17:10:09 [Tony] thedog> AH, thanks Russ…..night night all…

17:10:36 [jperrott] thedog> But they didn’t know what to do with the energy!

17:11:09 [thedog] jperrott> Yes Sir

17:11:16 [scrivs] jperrott> Tell me then !

17:11:18 [jperrott] Well – time to go. Love and best wishes to you both!

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