April 3 & 4 2004

[Russell Smith]

America/Mexico

[thedog] GREETINGS TO ALL.

[thedog] BEST MOMENTS

[thedog] My best moment was in the planing of a project and seeing everything in advance that had to be done, so when the effort began, there was no effort, only the execution of the plan.

[MigueAngel] Russ dice: SALUDOS A TODOS.

[csmith] by best moment is a repetition of Russ’. ‘Cept it involved the planning and execution of a business trip.

[MigueAngel] Russ dice: SU MEJOR MOMENTO

[csmith] and of course, ending up in Austin with my wife for the weekend. Lots of opportunity for external considering.

[MigueAngel] Russ dice: Mi mejor momento fue planeando un proyecto y viendo todo lo que se tenía que hacer por adelantado, así que cuando el esfuerzo empezó, no había esfuerzo, únicamente la ejecución del plan.

symon enters this room

[csmith] thedog> how’s the construction project going?

[symon] hello all..

[MigueAngel] My best Moment was on Monday when using my breath as a reminder I achieved 500 moments of presence!!!!

[csmith] symon> great to see you here. I only got home around 5:15.

[symon] BM getting my master exercises

[Verónica] Hola a todos, un beso y un abrazo con presencia

[thedog] csmith> If I said it was beautiful, I’ld be bragging….It’s beautiful

[MigueAngel] Mi mejor momento fue el Lunes cuando al usar mi respiración como factor recordante logré 500 momentos de presencia.

[carlosc] hola a todos

[symon] csmith> no sweat i hope you are enjoying your visit

[thedog] Miguel said: His best moment was doing presense momentum five hundred times

[MigueAngel] Escriban su mejor momento de la semana lo más breve posible.

[Verónica] Uno de mis mejores momentos de la semana, fue ayer con mi hija. Estabamos viendo la tv y la vi a los ojos, unos ojos hermosos y con una luz igualmente hermosa. Fue tan hermoso el momento que ella se sinti{o

[MigueAngel] Verónica has her best moment watching her daughter’s eyes.

[Verónica] sintió muy rara, me dijo que sintió algo muy extraño pero no desagradable, para mí fue hermoso el disfrutar su presencia

[symon] csmith> give a buzz after 8 i have a study group for chem but we could meet before…

[thedog] Although we can not talk about them in this Forum, Symon received his 1,001 words Master Exrecises.

[MigueAngel] Good Jobe Symon, congratulations!!!!

[Verónica] Otro momento fue el lunes con un estudiante dormido, el se sentía muy mal emocionalmente

[symon] thedog> thank you!!!!

[MigueAngel] Russ dice que Symon dio sus 1001 palabras y recibió sus ejercicios Maestros.

[symon] MigueAngel> thank you too

[csmith] symon> congratulations to you. CJ told me about the event earlier today.

[Verónica] le di un abrazo con intención y con presencia, y fue hermoso el sentirme útil.

[thedog] Miguel dice Symon, Magnifico!

[carlosc] mi mejor momento fue ayer cuando al encontrarme en una reunion de amigos y empezaron a hablar de religion y cuestionar la pasion de Cristo logre detenerme darme cuenta de mi mismo y no permitirme identificarme con eso y no entrar en polemica acerca de una discucion esteril que no me iba a dar nada

[csmith] MigueAngel> for Veronica What did you find in your daughter’s eyes?

[MigueAngel] Verónica lived another magnetic moment helping another student to feel better emotionally.

[symon] csmith> thank you

[symon] BM having my brother seth tell me he was going to the dog to claim what is rightfully his go seth

[MigueAngel] Carlos says his best moment was not identifying himself with a talk about Christ Passion film.

[Verónica] csmith> una hermosa luz muy luminosa y amor

[MigueAngel] Charles a Verónica: ¿Qué viste en los ojos de tu hija?

yolanda enters this room

[thedog] carlosc> When you can stop the big ones like that…Bravo!

[MigueAngel] Verónica to Charles: a beautiful Light very luminous and love.

[csmith] symon> go seth!

[MigueAngel] Russ a Carlos: Cuando puedas parar esas identificaciones grandes como lo hiciste…Bravo!

[jorge] Mi mejor momento fue el miercoles, cuando en una platica con Yolanda las emociones subian de color y pude detenerme de no expresar emociones negativas.Aunque aveces no siempre sea asi.

[MigueAngel] Jorge: My best momente was on Wednesday talking with Yolanda my girl partner, the emotions raised of color and I was able to stop myself and not express negative emotions. Although not always is like that.

[thedog] GROUP QUESTION: What was your WORST MOMENT and what did you see from it to help you for the next similar one?

[csmith] ah, ha! A worst moment, creating self-remembering: a best moment!

[yolanda] Mi mejor momento de la semana fue cuando pude realizar uno de los ejercicios maestros que no había podido realizar, significo un logro para mi.

[MigueAngel] Russ a todo el Grupo: ¿Cuál fue tu PEOR MOMENTO y qué viste en él que te pueda ayudar para el siguiente similar?

[thedog] jorge> If you can do it once, you can do it again, but remember, negative emotions do not exist outside ourselves, i.e., they are not created by someone else.

[MigueAngel] Charles dice: aha! Un peor momento, creando recuerdo de sí: un mejor momento!

[csmith] How about this? Telling a joke one person found offensive and understanding immediately the offensive part.

[MigueAngel] Yolanda: my best moment was realizing one of the master exercises and having a great success.

[thedog] csmith> Yes! Great!

[csmith] How about this? Realizing that details of a person’s life known to you are no one else’s business.

[MigueAngel] Russ a Jorge: Si lo puedes hacer una vez, lo puedes hacer otra vez, pero recuerda, las emociones negativas no existen fuera de nosotros, es decir, no son creadas por alguien más.

[mariana] hola,soy mariana d.f

[MigueAngel] Charles dice: ¿qué tal este? Contándole un chiste a una persona que lo entendió ofensivo y comprendiendo inmediatamente la parte ofensiva.

[enrique] hola a todos .mi mejor momento lo acabo de percibir, al estar observando el cielo poniente con los nubarrones, preciera un”brochazo” de Dios còmo pintô esa parte.

[csmith] How about this? Realizing that an expensive hobby is the equivalent of trying to spend yourself “rich”.

[MigueAngel] Charles:¿qué tal este? Dándome cuenta que los detalles de la vida de una persona conocida no son asunto de nadie más.

[symon] worst moment realizing someone was proud of something as i told them how to do it better

[mariana] mi mejor momento fue hoy cuand le llame por tel a mi mama,ella nunca acostumbr el decirme te quiero y hoylo hizo, la verdad fue mi mejor mometo de la semana

[MigueAngel] Enrique: my best moment wast just now watching the sky with black clouds and taking it like God paiting.

[renatta] mi mejor momento fue el dìa de ayer, cuando me encontrè a una exalumna, la felicitaba por su matrimonio, inmediatamente cambiò su rostro y me comunico que su esposo habìa muerto, le dije que lo sentìa y la presencia estaba ahì, fue muy intenso

[MigueAngel] Charles: ¿qué tal este? dándome cuenta que un pasatiempo caro es equivalente a tratar de pasar tu vida “rico”.

[csmith] How about this? Realizing that a significant person in your life is identified with an activity to the point where your external considering is a a full-time job.

[MigueAngel] Symon: mi peor momento fue darme cuenta que alghine estaba orgulloso de algo que le dije de cómo hacerlo mejor.

[thedog] enrique> If you are near the ocean, I’ll bet it’s in water colors

[MigueAngel] Mariana’s best moment: calling today my mom and she said I love you and it is not her way.

[carlosc] mi peor momento fue el miercoles cuando en el trabajo ordinario le llame la atencion a una empleada en un tono agresivo y aunque la observacion era correcta el tono no era correcto hice un momento de reflexion posterior y conclui en no hacer cosas buenas que parezcan malas

[Verónica] El lunes: estabamos viendo una situación administrativa con una estudiante dormida, su respuesta fue negativa. Mi máquina sintió enojo, ya que lo había tomado personal, sin embargo alcance a detenerme y aplicar el aforismo 58.

[csmith] I likely do not have to go on, but realizing that best moments are often “worst moments” is an exercise well-worth considerable attention.

[enrique] ok.mi peor momento fuê cuando al bajar de un automovil se me salio el celular y se quedo en el vehiculo,pude percatarme que dejaba una herramienta de trabajo profano perdida, lo que puedo aprender de ello es la comprensiòn del aforismo 50

[yolanda] El peor momento fue ayer en la noche al tener un desacuerdo con Jorge, y expresar negatividad incluso con la mirada. Debo estar más alerta de estas manifestaciones.

[mariana] tengo un pregunta que surgio el domingo pasado al ver la pelicula de la pasion de cristo.si puedo observar los do extremos de la vara,tomandolos como las dos fuerzas pasiva y positiva la fuerza neutralizante es la manifestacion del ser?

[thedog] mariana> You must be different, for to cause her to become different.

[MigueAngel] Renatta´s best was giving compliments to a student just married and knowing her husband just died .

[renatta] mi mejor momento fue el dìa de ayer, me encontrè a una exalumna, en la platica la felicitaba por su matrimonio, su rostro se transformò y me dijo que su esposo habìa muerto,m le dije que lo sentìa, la presencia se manifestò, fue muy intenso

[symon] worst moment knowing someone wanted to be introdced to some of my friends and not remembering her name

[MigueAngel] Charles: que tal el darse cuenta que una persona importante para ti está identificada con una actividad hasta el punto de que tu consideración externa es un trabajo de tiempo completo.

[thedog] renatta> Very good. Keep that presense present.

[MigueAngel] Russ a Enrique: si estas cerca del oceano, te aseguro que los brochasos de Dios son tipo acuarela!!! por el agua.

[jorge] Mi peor momento fue ayer que me permiti expresar emociones negativas con Yolanda y me di cuenta de que nos afectan estas manifestaciones negativas,lo que vi enesto es que

[MigueAngel] Carlos worst moment: I needed to scold an employee in an agressive way and viewing the tone was not correct and reflecting to not do good things look like bad ones for the next time.

[MigueAngel] Verónica: looking at an sleeping student and her negative answer. Feeling anger, taking it personally but being able to stop and use aphorism 58.

[thedog] carlosc> From such observations a man can escape the mechanical and live in the conscious.

[jorge] tengo la posibilidad de recordarme para no expresarlas nuevamente.

[MigueAngel] Charles no queriendo seguir el mismo tenor pero dandome cuenta que los mejores momento a veces son los peores es un ejercicio que vale la pena atención considerable.

[symon] csmith> i still cannot remember her name but i do remember mine

[thedog] Verónica> Now remember that before you encounter any student and you will be free in advance.

[MigueAngel] Enrique my worst: loosing my celular and learning about aphorism 50.

[renatta] el peor momento ha sido el dìa lunes en una platica, todo iba bien pero en un sòlo instante me enganchè y asociè eventos del pasado que me provocaron un estado alterado, reconozco que no estaba en mi

[MigueAngel] Yolanda’s worst: Observing my negative eyes viewing Jorge and realizing the need to be more alert to this manifestations.

[MigueAngel] Mariana asks: watching the passion of Christ I see the two ends of the stick and viewing passive force, active and neutralizing as the manifestation of being, is this so?

[MigueAngel] Russ a Mariana: tienes que ser diferente para causarle a ella que sea diferente.

[symon] csmith> amen broham

[MigueAngel] Russ a Renatta: Muy bien. Mantén la presencia presente.

[thedog] Verónica> Man is not a pig to forget good nor a cat to remember evil –Gurdjieff

[MigueAngel] Jorge’s worst: allowing negative emotions being expressed to Yolanda and realizing they affect us and I have the possibility to remember myself instead.

[thedog] mariana> YES … Freedom is a whole stick.

[MigueAngel] Russ a Carlos: De tales observaciones un hombre puede escapar de lo mecánico y vivir el no conciente.

[MigueAngel] Russ a Verónica: Ahora recuerda que antes de que te encuentres con un estudiante tienes que liberarte de antemano.

[symon] csmith> great new tool thanks . every moment is rich with possibilities

[mariana] el peor momento de la semana fue el lunes al darme puntos de vist de mis inexactitudes sentia una gran friccion que no manifeste externamente pero finalmente me tocaron mis botones y lo manifeste con expresion negativa

[MigueAngel] Renatta’s worse: becoming negative in a talk associating past events, I recognize it was not me.

[jorge] Como puede uno mantener la presencia en los peores momentos? esto podria referirse a unconstante recuerdo de si?

[MigueAngel] Russ a VEro: El hombre no es un puerco para recordar el mal ni un gato para olvidar el bien— Gurdjieff.

[MigueAngel] Russ a Mariana: SI… La libertad es una vara completa.

[renatta] en el mismo tenor de mi peor momento, recordaba mi vida a lado de mis abuelos maternos y el ejerccio de la vara de 2 puntas me ha servido para ver tanto lopeor como lo mejor y ha sido reconfortante, màs ahora que mi abuelo està muerto.

[MigueAngel] Mariana’s worse: when someone was mentioning my inexactitudes and feeling friction, and not expresing negativity but finally being touched in my buttons and expressing negative emotion.

[MigueAngel] Jorge asks: How can one keep presence in the worst moments? Would this be referin to an inconsistent self-remembering?

[thedog] QUESTION TIME. PLEASE FORMULATE PRECISE QUESTIONS, TO SPARE OUR TRANSLATOR

[Verónica] Gracias Russ, hoy en el grupo hicimos la hora de aquietamiento. Y esto último que me escribes de Gurdjieff, lo sentí y hubo una manifestación de la Presencia en mi presencia, hermosa.

[enrique] ¿podrìa decirse que el peor momento es desperdiciar la oportunidad de trabajar cuando estoy identificado, es decir , dejar pasar la oportunidad ?

[MigueAngel] Renatta finishing: in my worse moment I remembered my life and doing the two ends of the stick exercise worked.

[thedog] jorge> If you keep presence in the best moments it will expand. First you learn to swim well in calm waters, then you have no problem tackling the storm.

[MigueAngel] Russ dice: POR CUESTION DE TIEMPO, POR FAVOR FORMULEN SUS PREGUNTAS DE MANERA PRECISA Y BREVE, PARA APOYAR AL TRADUCTOR.

[MigueAngel] Vero says: Thanks Russ.

[MigueAngel] Enrique asks: would it could be said that the worse moment is to waste the opportunity to work when I am identified, I mean, to let go the opportunity?

[MigueAngel] Russ a Jorge: Si mantienes la presencia en los mejores momentos, ésta se expandirá. Primero aprendes a nadar bien en las aguas tranquilas y luego no tienes problema en aventarte en la tormenta.

[thedog] mariana> Have those conversations with yourself. Criticize yourself worse than anyone could ever do .. then what ever they say can not effect you, because you know yourself to be even worse.

[MigueAngel] Russ a Mariana: Ten esas conversaciones contigo misma: Criticate peor de lo que alguien más lo haría… y entonces lo que sea que ellos te digan no puede afectarte, porque tu sabes cosas mucho más peores que ellos.

[renatta] me he dado cuenta que cuando hay una emociòn negativa a veces se vuelve consideraciòn interna, esto es sentir remordimiento?

[thedog] enrique> Yes, if you can se it, you have an obligation to act.

[renatta] P.D.Ouspensky refiere que las emociones negativas estàn nada màs que en uno mismo, por ende nadie puede hacerme enojar, por lo tanto nadie puede apretar mis botones, entonces deduzco: “Todo està en mi misma” aforismo 59

[jorge] como poder saber cuando una emocion negativa ha sido transformada?

[MigueAngel] Renatta says: I have realized when there is a negative emotions sometimes it becomes inner considering, is this to feel remorse of concience?

[MigueAngel] Russ a Enrique: Si, si lo puedes ver, tienes la obligación de actuar.

[MigueAngel] Renatta has her deducton from Ouspensky that nobody can push her buttons and then everything is in herself… aphorism 59.

[MigueAngel] Jorge asks: How can I know when has been transformed a negative emotion?

[thedog] renatta> Anytime one center witnesses the unbecoming manifestations of another center, there is AIEIOIUOA remorse of conscience.

[thedog] renatta> Very GOOD

[MigueAngel] Russ a Renatta: En cualquier momento en el que un centro atestigua las manifestaciones desagradable de otro centro, hay un remordimiento AIEIOIUOA de conciencia.

[thedog] jorge> When it can not become negative. Man hates dogs…gets dog and loves dog…now loves dogs and can not hate dogs ever again.

[MigueAngel] Russ a Jorge: Cuando no puede volverse negativa. Un hombre odia a los perros… compra un perro y ama al perro… ahora ama a los perros y ya no puede volver a odiar a los perros otra vez.

[renatta] estar con mi hijo me produce mejores estados, recuerdo aa Jesùs: “debes volverte niño para entrar al reino de los cielos”, esos momentos me hacen recordar mi compromiso.

[MigueAngel] Renatta: viewing my child I remember the idea of becoming like a child and those moments make me remember my engagemet.

[thedog] renatta> It is very good to connect many things to self-remembering.

[MigueAngel] Russ a Renatta: esmuy bueno conectar muchas cosas con el recuerdo de sí.

[enrique] La incomodidad de los peores momentos,son necesarios,si estoy presente dejan de ser incomodidades,para volverse material creativo?

[MigueAngel] Enrique: the uncomfortable situation of the worse moments are necessary; if I am present, they stop being uncomfortable to become creative material?

[jorge] La Presencia es el estado que podemos percibir como resultado del recuerdo de si?

[MigueAngel] Jorge: The Presence is the state we can perceive as a result of self-remembering?

[thedog] enrique> Necessary, no. Inevitable, yes. If we think they are necessary we will want to create them for us and others.

[MigueAngel] Russ a Enrique: Necesario, no, Inevitable, si. Si pensamos que son necesarios querremos crearlos para nosotros y para otros.

[csmith] friends and loved ones, I bid you a good night and a comfortble rest. Charles

[thedog] jorge> Yes, like April Fools, a constant observer watching us.

[MigueAngel] Charles dice adios.

[symon] csmith> have a good one we will chat tomorrow

[MigueAngel] Russ a Jorge: Si, es como el April Fools, un observador constante observandonos.

[thedog] GONG GONG Time is up. Thanks for being here. See you all next week. With much love for you, I Am .. THE DOG

[mariana] gracias RUSS,gracias MIGUEL ANGEL

[symon] love to all thanks russ have a great week

[jorge] Agradesco a Russell y a Miguel Angen por su gran apoyo.vay

[MigueAngel] RUSS dice: Russ next week is Easter week and people probably wont be here, can we skip a Saturday?

[symon] MigueAngel> thanks for your efforts to translate )

[thedog] Si

[MigueAngel] Russ dice: DING DONG el tiempo terminó. Los amo y YO SOY The Dog.

[MigueAngel] Amigos… El próximo Sabado es Semana Santa y nos lo vamos a brincar.

[thedog] NO CHAT NEXT WEEK ON SATURDAY.

[enrique] ok. Gracias y buenas noches

[MigueAngel] No vamos a tener chat el Sábado de Gloria.

[MigueAngel] RUSS DICE. NO HAY CHAT LA PRÓXIMA SEMANA, EL SABADO.

[renatta] gracias, un abrazo a todos por su amor.

[Verónica] Gracias, besos a todos.

[jorge] Buenas Noches a todos.

[thedog] Dog Gone

[MigueAngel] Si hay chat el lunes.

[MigueAngel] Buenas Noches todos. bye

[yolanda] Gracias y buenas noches a todos.

[mariana] YOLA NO TE VAYAS

[enrique] algo màs vero?

[carlosc] Gracias a todos por compartir en la presencia de mi presencia Carlos

[mariana] YOLA SIGUES AHI?

[yolanda] si

[Verónica] No, es todo. si hay chat el lunes. los veo el lunes, ok.

[mariana] BUENO MEJOR TE HABLO POR TEL SI?

[yolanda] ¿quieres decirme algo?

[yolanda] o.k

[mariana] NO ES MUY IMPORTANTE,LUEGO TE DIGO SI?

[yolanda] bay

[mariana] ADIOS

America/England

[scrivs] …must be early….we, in UK, have 2014 hours right now.

[cj] hello from austin

[stevew] cj> Hello from the UK

[stevew] J.Markham> Still “riding high”?

[J.Markham] Good evening from Yeovil

[cj] i’ll start with my best moment: i was able to be with symo n from the austin group as he did 1029 p

[cj] perfect words and his master exercises –yeehaw!

[J.Markham] At times yes but I have lost some momentum but I only have to take myself back to no 10 and I am okay

[stevew] J.Markham> Do you practise the “Presence Momentum” exercise as much as possible?

[J.Markham] I am not eligible for this yet

[cj] still working to refresh at 90 seconds but my computer only has accepted 120 seconds so far. it makes me slow on the uptake

[thedog] Best Moments

[stevew] J.Markham> You should be eligible. Check with John or Russ.

[J.Markham] Really seeing that I see others faults much more than my own – this is my aim for this week

[symon] hello all)

[J.Markham] Thanks Steve – I will

[symon] best moment getting to two chats this week

[J.Markham] Hello Ken – its June M.

[thedog] J.Markham> Yes June, Presence Momentum: Where am I at on a scale from 1 to 10? Pick number. Change your state to the highest you can, then stop and let the momentum of your higher state continue by itself. When you observe the momentum has weakened, again bring yourself to presence and repeat.

[symon] cj> thanks for your presence

[J.Markham] Thank you Russ.

[Tony] Best Moment: being able to accept a situation I would not have normally

[thedog] scrivs> Got your e-mail about the rumple. Looks good to me . Send it

[cj] second best moment: reading the end of chapter seven and ruminating on

[cj] just how fortunat i am thateverything has worked together so that i am in this work. one small misstep and i could have missed the boat

[stevew] Best moment was in a meeting with Su, being able to see and articulate my freedom.

[scrivs] thedog> You have it .

[cj] symon: my extreme pleasure

[cj] following up on the discussion in sunday morning class: we are able to articulate what this work is about and especially what concerns the cosmology without referring to a Supreme

[cj] Being who at one point decided to change the Laws, yes?

[scrivs] thedog> Has the Universe always been —or was it created ?

[stevew] cj> Could you please elaborate?

[thedog] stevew> Thanks again for the great papers you sent. I very much appreciate you effort.

[J.Markham] It is I ! Good to talk to you after so long

[cj] it has been my understanding that our work with Russ is not dependent on the need for a Creator who is a being with perhaps a personality or some such. we ran over time during this morning’s

[stevew] thedog> Thanks.

[scrivs] J.Markham> Hallo ‘I’. Nice to meet you again !

[thedog] scrivs> We are in the 87th incarnation of the Universe

[cj] class so i decided to wait till this chat to ask this question. it has seemed to me that science even in its current state of development gives enought information for our work to work without the inclusion of a Creator as in G.’s mythology

[scrivs] thedog> 87? On a scale of …what to what ..?

[thedog] cj> Perhaps that is why we use the word Absolute to describe that which caused creation

[scrivs] and The Absolute is therefore unknowable………..thedog>

[stevew] cj> Some of us start with some very odd ideas of what the “common father creator” might be .. thanks to some wiseacring in earlier times.

[thedog] scrivs> That was humor russ. I do not know if the Universe existed before or for how many times

[cj] that works for me. i just kept hearing references to God and HIs Endlessness, etc. during the discussion. i would like to get clear.

[stevew] cj> G referred to the image of “the old Jew” as one instance of such ideas.

[thedog] J.Markham> Did you share your Best Moment ?

[J.Markham] Yes I did earlier on

[cj] stevew: elaborate, please. yes, i was one of those exposed to huge radiation from wiseacring

[thedog] cj> All I know is that is spells G O D coming down the Universe … and D O G going back up

[stevew] thedog> Maybe it’s a SIGN!!

[thedog] cj> G poked fun a man who had the image of God as an old Jew with a long beard and a comb in his jacket pocket with which to comb his famous beard.

[stevew] cj> I am not going to add to any wiseacring … I will just suggest that to believe in the absence of a “common father creator” is going to block the action of Reason just as effectively as believing in “the old Jew”.

[gary] good evening all

[scrivs] Tony> > May we make it at 2 o/c , and not 4 on Monday please ?

[cj] stevew: thanks

[thedog] J.Markham> Thanks June, I found it.

[gary] b/m seeing a Kingfisher

[stevew] gary> They are beautiful birds, aren’t they.

[symon] BM having to take my dog to the vet and being able to employ two ends of the stick

[gary] b/m running this morning with Saul

[gary] stevew> yeah, it flashed past me !

[thedog] Time for QUESTIONS … Got any?

[cj] noticing the oscillation in chapter 7 creating the electro, then magnetic force. Is there an analogy in our inner world. i noticed tha

[gary] thedog> is there any reason (s) why I can’t use the 3 – fold attention exercise whilst running ?

[cj] that this week the oscillation in my inner world was more apparent between being in a higher state then falling down as per presence momentum. did i ask a clear question

[thedog] gary> Nope, unless you can’t count that fast

[scrivs] Can anyone direct me to a source where one may find good data regards the initial conditions of the Big Bang please ?

[stevew] gary> Best keep your eyes open, though

[J.Markham] I s double chrystalisation the same as having two sets of I’s – those that want to work and those that don’t ?

[stevew] scrivs> What do you mean by “good data”? This is an area of very heated (!) debate among physicists and cosmologists.

[gary] thedog> when i observe moving center counting becomes easy

[scrivs] stevew> OK. Good –or at least the ‘latest’.

[gary] stevew> with Kingfishers about !!!

[thedog] cj> I think you are really describing what we call the middle. You don’t live in the higher, but it raises you to a higher middle. Awakening Steward allows you to live in Deputy Steward. Awakening Master allows you to live in Steward. Awakening God (seeing the completing principle) allows you to live in Master.

[scrivs] stevew> I want to ponder this rumple business more.

[stevew] scrivs> I have found the “particle adventure” site to be useful: http://particleadventure.org/particleadventure/

[stephen] scrivs> i’d try googling it

[stevew] scrivs> It has links to other “interesting” sites on physics, too.

[cj] the dog: thatks ! that’s great!

[stephen] scrivs> http://www.ras.org.uk/pdfs/a_uk/pp1011.pdf looks promising

[stevew] scrivs> There is enormous debate about the first few picoseconds after the bang, though.

[symon] scrivs> http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/gr/public/bb_home.html this looked pretty good good graphics 🙂

[thedog] J.Markham> It means that a higher state is connected to a lower function. A man hits a higher state with alcohol, now he can only have the higher state if he is drunk.

[scrivs] stevew> Yes yes ! What are the primary conditions tho’/

[stevew] scrivs> No-one knows.

[thedog] scrivs> red yellow and blue

[stevew] scrivs> One theory describes a mass of “spongy strings”.

[scrivs] stevew> Orthey are not saying………

[J.Markham] Thank you>the dog

[symon] scrivs> of course maybe the answer lies within

[stevew] thedog>

[Tony] thedog> Are the Absolute and the Endlessness different?

[thedog] Unity to chaos, which organizes itself back into unity, which by its presence creates chaos

[thedog] Tony> No. Just lables referring to the same thing.

[scrivs] We are so homocentric …………..

[Tony] thedog> Is trogoautoegocrat represented by worlds 3 and 6?

[thedog] Tony> Unless we consider G’s postulation, that before creation the HSA was diminishing, which would mean that the Absolute would not be endless. Where in, after the laws were changed and the Universe provided the reciprocal maintenance, then the Absolute would enjoy the title of our Endlessness.

[stephen] we talked about the creation in class today and russell pointed out that we may not be able to concieve or know for sure what exactly happened before this universe, but that we can know about the universe as it exists now, and hopefully that is enough to aid us in our development

[gary] thedog> the combination of running is helping me to stay awake, does it become mechanicalif i forget my aim and stays conscious by intention, what will it be when i reach my limit of fitness ?

[thedog] Tony> All is represented and supported by the Trogoautoegocrat (I eat myself I hold)

[gary] thedog> running and 3 fold att. exer.

[cj] tony: i enjoyed the beginning symbols of chap 6 where russ shows the Absolute and eternal unchanging in relaationship

[thedog] gary> You have connected running to work effort. That is great. It will only become mechanical if you cease creating it as a reminding factor.

[stephen] thedog> as we develop reason, it seems like our perceptions are still colored by our own experience and observations we’ve made, is there any point where a person could be said to be asolutely objective, or will impressions still be colored as long as we have a subjective body?

[thedog] gary> Perhaps, you’ll become Forrest Gump, although you’ll only have to run across England thrice.

[thedog] stephen> Double or Nothing Part 2, will provide the answer you seek.

[gary] thedog> have observed 4 centers, whilst running, especially the instinctive

[thedog] GONG GONG Time for out Chat is up. Thanks for being here. See you all on Easter.

[cj] the dog: hey, i thought that was my title

[gary] thedog> which center can see the overall plan ?

[symon] Thanks Russ, love to all

[J.Markham] Goodnight Russ.

[stevew] Bye.

[thedog] gary> The sixth

[stephen] bye bye everybody

[gary] thedog> thanks russ, love to you and all.

[thedog] DOG GONE

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