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16:04:46 [susanhagan] HI! Steven, am i really in the correct place and the 2 of us are the only ones here?
16:04:47 jperrott enters this room
16:05:13 [stevew] susanhagan> Yes and no.
16:05:20 pamela enters this room
16:05:21 [jperrott] Apologies for the delay!
16:05:31 [susanhagan] Good Evening MR Perrott! Just the man I was hoping to see here!
16:05:32 [stevew] Good evening, one and all.
16:05:34 [pamela] Good evening to all.
16:05:45 [susanhagan] What caused the delay?
16:05:49 [jperrott] Good Lord! Mistress Hagan graces us with her presence. )
16:05:56 [susanhagan] Hello Pamela!
16:06:06 thedog enters this room
16:06:18 [thedog] Howdy
16:06:19 [susanhagan] Yo can thank Steven Wheeler for that ! He woke me up yesterday!
16:06:25 [jperrott] In anticipatio of russell, may we have your Best Moments?
16:07:17 [thedog] Following up on John, Best Moments ……
16:07:27 [jperrott] susanhagan> Good for him – and it’s lasted until today?
16:07:47 [susanhagan] Yes! My best moment was whe I aske dA question of the group. The question was ” What is Faith?”. Steven answered and I felt a magnetic centre developing as he spoke!
16:08:44 [pamela] My best moment was my memory work for today. Beelzebubs, pages 770, it tells you where you need to go, where you are, and leaves it to your own initiative to ask yourself or your teacher, how to get there.
16:09:19 [stevew] thedog> BM: Working on preparing a Fourth Way web site – not for publication but as an exercise: preparing as if to teach, being truthful and open to guidance. Many new connections appeared. Aph. 24 applies.
16:09:27 [thedog] susanhagan> I have a saying, “Faith is the belief in things unseen; Hope, is that faith is real.”
16:10:06 [susanhagan] Not only did it last until today I felt that when I awake from sleep( the kind that replenishes the body) I was really interested in exercises. I did a 3 fold attention exercise and then lying still for one hour. Then I got upi adn noticed that things were different.
16:10:40 [jperrott] susanhagan> )
16:10:44 [thedog] susanhagan> Yes, it was an hour later.
16:12:15 [thedog] stevew> Nice Steve. And what the heck did you say to Sue ?
16:12:58 [susanhagan] Time had a different dimension to it. Therr was norush inside.. JEP willknow that this is very unusual for me .. AMP too if she is there. There is a sense of everything being offered to one an really all one had to do was the next thing at hand. The teaching yesterday hit the spot!
16:13:16 [stevew] thedog> Faith is a function of Reason – one knows what and why and one knows that one really knows, even if one has not experienced that thing.
16:13:20 [susanhagan] Whoops I ahd better read what others are saying for a moment!
16:13:33 [thedog] susanhagan> Fantastic !
16:14:33 [stevew] thedog> We also discussed Hope and Charity, the other two Christian virtues, and their correspondence to Impartiality and External Considering.
16:14:38 [susanhagan] In the higher mental center one can see the place for Faith Hope and Charity and IT MAKE SENSE!
16:14:47 [jperrott] In a similar vein, my B.M. was a talk with Nance here on the property and the luxury of experiening her as “the Real Nancy”.
16:14:59 [thedog] Yee-Haw
16:15:12 [susanhagan] this means that there is real hope for the What was your BM Russ?
16:15:29 [susanhagan] I”ll finish that sentence right now?
16:15:54 [susanhagan] This means that there is real hope for the people for whom nothingness is a priority!
16:16:18 [susanhagan] I bet y’ll wish I’d never started!
16:16:23 [susanhagan] Is AMP there?
16:16:37 [susanhagan] Taking a pause now!
16:16:47 [jperrott] susanhagan> It can be arranged.
16:17:05 [susanhagan] No need just wondered!
16:17:19 [susanhagan] Did you have a nice Birthday?
16:17:32 [susanhagan] you will have to endure another one whe you get home!
16:17:47 [jperrott] susanhagan> Alison’s here now, Su.
16:18:00 [thedog] My Best, was my weekly call to Alfonso Zavala last night. Man, what an incredible awakening he has had, a crescendo that has brought him to really seeing what is in Cosmi Secrets. And now wanting to teach it.
16:18:24 [stevew] thedog> Another BM was making sense of the last two images in the “oxherder” series … and then picking up the Tao Te Ching and seeing the very same thing written there “in plain view”.
16:18:59 [stevew] thedog> yee hah!
16:21:14 [thedog] susanhagan> Once when asked, “What comes after Nothingness?” I answered, “Everything!”
16:22:09 sperrott enters this room
16:22:31 [susanhagan] I have also had a reduction in a feeling of inferiority about this entity.. Lack of self worht perhaps! I realised yesterday that I have not been given the second part of double of nothing. When I do the exercise successfully I feel compassion for the object of the negative emotion
16:22:54 [susanhagan] that prompted it and then I feel empty.. Am I ready for the second part yet or not?
16:23:21 [jperrott] Alison here. BM: learning oil paint with all its steps and fining that it is just like the Work. First you see the picture on the box that you want to paint – but only formatorily. Then you grid out and draw the picture so that it looks like the bare bones Then you fill in the bits.
16:24:35 [jperrott] susanhagan> I have seen through this last 3 weeks that one really has to work at the little things. Su, this is so important, I’m responding publically – hope you don’t mind. If there is a key, this is it!
16:25:05 [susanhagan] Sorry everyone! Please disregard my private/ public question to JEP Hallelujah that he is still with us !! and i will try to be more discreet!
16:25:13 [stevew] Alison> Just “like” the Work??
16:27:09 [thedog] Oil and Everything
16:27:10 [susanhagan] What happened? I went for a tinkles and everything stopped!
16:27:11 [jperrott] stevew> from Alison> Indeed!
16:27:41 [jperrott] thedog> Nice one!
16:27:43 [thedog] We were waiting.
16:27:54 wooten enters this room
16:28:15 [thedog] After best moments, who has a question?
16:28:20 [susanhagan] Hi! AMP! Jolly good news that you are learning oils! I haven’t a clue about them. Buit you can teach me this summer maybe1
16:28:25 [jperrott] susanhagan> I don’t understand your reference to “indiscretion”?
16:29:35 [jperrott] thedog> from alison>Yes – I have a husband who loves spinach (love Olive).
16:30:19 gary enters this room
16:31:28 [jperrott] susanhagan> from Alison> Happily – I’m finding it a rich source for the discovery of True Principles – and I’m having fun!
16:31:34 [thedog] Post your best moment, if you havent.
16:32:02 [jperrott] gary> Welcome Gary; do you have a BM to share?
16:32:59 [susanhagan] What are the true principles? Sounds like a phrase that has yet to be imported into the UK!
16:33:11 [jperrott] sperrott> Hi Sarah – are you going to come out from behind that screen?
16:33:13 [pamela] thedog> Would you please elaborate on a few methods of purging the useless in ourselves?
16:34:49 [susanhagan] Russ! How to learn? Must we have 2/3rds of something in order to have a real interest
16:34:51 [jperrott] susanhagan> They were my words – on behalf of Alison – the True Principles of the Work – of the enneagram – not obfuscated by False Personality.
16:34:51 [sperrott] jperrott> Hi Dad. I was just looking to see if I have a moment worth sharing. I have a quote that has been pertinent for me since my return from the US-I can share that?
16:35:49 [jperrott] sperrott> Of course you can – but we’d also like a BM – if you have one.
16:36:16 [thedog] pamela> It must begin with aim. Things toward that aim are usefull; those against, harmfull. What is useless in us does not go toward that aim. So first we have to see. Next ….
16:36:19 [jperrott] gary> Are you Gary, or Juliet?
16:36:44 [sperrott] jperrott> I am alive!!!!!!…..and what’s more….>>>>I can die…and die….and die……………
16:37:07 [gary] B/m watching moving/ instintive centre during a kung fu class – gave me the ability to relax – to perform more controlled movements.
16:37:16 carol_jean enters this room
16:37:17 [thedog] pamela> We have to find one thing, and make it our God to go against it, change it, etc. Then …
16:37:57 [pamela] gary> awesome
16:37:59 [sperrott] BM (in a quote) When you take a stand on something and work from there, you take different actions than you do when you believe that that something is inevitable and your effort is to try to make it “not so bad.” When you know the certainty that things can be not just different but entirely resolve
16:38:25 [jperrott] sperrott> I look forward to your rebirth…rebirth…rebirth…
16:38:35 [sperrott] ………but entirely resolved, you engage in the work in a more fundamental way. You don’t wonder “if.” You determine “how to.” You look for root causes. You make different choices. — Lynne Twist from “The Soul of Money”…..
16:39:12 [thedog] pamela> Find someone, who has escaped from prison, because it is almost impossible to escape, without help from outside. Finally …
16:39:33 [jperrott] sperrott> Sounds to me like a definition of “having an aim”.
16:39:37 [sperrott] jperrott> Come and visit. We cab share some smiles together
16:40:46 [jperrott] carol_jean>
16:40:52 [carol_jean] b.m.severaltimes this week putting into practice one more small piece of “making one thing my god”–using the energy tied up in guilt and shame for the way I was knocked off aim to look, instead, at how and why I was knocked off. A LA -FA line of evaluating a den ying force. Much more useful
16:41:29 [jperrott] sperrott> God Bless Lynne Twist! Hope she lives accordingly!
16:42:49 [sperrott] Another great quote-‘Dont ask what the world needs ask what makes you come alive….because what the world needs is people who have come alive’.
16:42:57 [thedog] pamela> Tenacity. But, in truth, it ain’t hard to do one thing…so real tenacity isn’t really needed, just knowledge: To know, inorder to Be and to Do.
16:43:53 [susanhagan]>[thedog] I see that after yesterday’s class more of me is interested in studying CS! Can you shed any light?
16:44:53 [carol_jean] HEE-HEE–love you
16:47:35 [thedog]>[susanhagan] Yes, start with the dedication. Memorize it,and do not go on till you have grasped it. … then turn page …………………
16:49:05 [thedog] Any other questions?
16:49:22 [carol_jean] A “freebie” b.m. listening to the great questions from people in austin surrounding the was our Cosmic Weave matches, or rather, creates the order in which atoms fill their energy shells. And listening to the great answers!
16:49:24 [susanhagan]>[thedog] To have seen Faith At SO, Hope at LA and Charity at TI, is sublime. What is before all that and where is it?? yee HA. the search is on!
16:50:42 [thedog]>[susanhagan]
16:50:59 [pamela] Yes, Carol Jean, the Austin class questions are wonderful. And the answers!
16:51:11 [jperrott] susanhagan> Point at the right-hand list, rather than at the name in the message.
16:51:32 [jperrott] susanhagan> The others can share.
16:52:03 [thedog] [susanhagan]>[thedog] I see that after yesterday’s class more of me is interested in studying CS! Can you shed any light?
16:52:10 [thedog] [thedog]>[susanhagan] Yes, start with the dedication. Memorize it,and do not go on till you have grasped it. … then turn page …………………
16:52:19 [thedog] [susanhagan]>[thedog] To have seen Faith At SO, Hope at LA and Charity at TI, is sublime. What is before all that and where is it?? yee HA. the search is on!
16:53:06 [susanhagan] Ok! are the last postings now for all to see?
16:53:35 [jperrott] susanhagan> Yes me’am.
16:53:44 [susanhagan] stevew Thanks for your archery!
16:53:51 [pamela] yes, and we thank you
16:53:53 [thedog] I cop and pasted yours to me.
16:54:02 [susanhagan] Ok
16:54:31 [jperrott] susanhagan> But all the juicy ones were private! ;(
16:54:41 [wooten] Yes, Thank you Su!
16:54:59 [susanhagan] Can you cop and paste them?
16:55:10 [pamela] susanhagan> hey……
16:55:13 [wooten] Oops–The above was from Nancy, not from Jon!
16:55:34 [jperrott] susanhagan> Only a bad cop pastes people!
16:55:42 [susanhagan] BM from JEP
16:58:01 [jperrott] susanhagan> Yes – one could cut and paste them – but there’s little time left now.
16:59:08 [thedog] Always a pleasure to spend an hour with y’all. Hope you took something from the plate.
16:59:33 [susanhagan]>[thedog] Bye Russell!
17:00:05 [sperrott] thedog> thankyou.xx.much love
17:00:13 [thedog]>[susanhagan] By Su (Russell says in private chat to Su)
17:00:34 [jperrott] Love and best wishes (and Faith, Hope and Charity) to you all!
17:00:47 [pamela] Good night all. Thanks for my answer Mr. Dog.
17:00:55 [wooten] Thank you all!
17:00:58 [thedog] To you oil!
17:01:00 [stevew] God rest ye, merry gentlefolk.
17:01:18 [thedog]
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17:02:06 [wooten] Thank you Sarah–Nan
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17:02:33 [gary] Thanks to all, bye now
17:02:46 [carol_jean] sperrott> Hey girl, are you there?
17:03:13 [sperrott] carol_jean> Yes I am. I was trying to remember the question that you are refering to
17:04:17 [carol_jean] sperrott> I’m guessing something I said brought you to the idea that I was leaving out work on being somehow. Don’g remember much else
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17:05:44 [carol_jean] sperrott> you had also referred to all those sperm being wasted effort? except the one who scores?
17:06:08 [sperrott] carol_jean> I am sorry. It was not my intention to have given that impression. I do remember reference to the unrealised potential and also to negative emotions being a waste of time-but I think I have two chats crossed there-that Tony Usher was talking about neg emotions
17:07:00 gary exits from this room
17:07:29 [sperrott] carol_jean> Yes thats right. I was saying that all sperm have a part to play.For example-if one out of every hundred scores-you need the other 99. Nature works in large numbers.
17:07:35 [carol_jean] sperrott> I wonder if this could be cleared if I say that to me unrealised and unattempted potentials might be different?
17:09:12 [sperrott] carol_jean> Can all men awaken? We are told that no not all men will awaken. Does that make the men who ar asleep-unattempted and unrealised potential?
17:10:36 [carol_jean] sperrott> today in Sanger class Russ said some beautiful things about speech (read writing,too) and how we need to try to externally consider . it’s obvious, but I need more practice. I don’t want to make it seem that I’m making you wrong. I just was trying to bring outhe interpretation I have
17:10:49 [sperrott] carol_jean> What would happen if all sperm could penetrate the egg?
17:12:04 [sperrott] carol_jean> I have no discimfort in our communications. To the contrary, I feel honoured that we are talking with each other and sharing…
17:12:29 [carol_jean] sperrott> to l7:09:12, yes ,i think so. It seemed to me that the dogtale refers exclusively to people. The rest are fulfilling their potential. Large numbers included
17:12:57 [carol_jean] sperrott> The rest–of the universe
17:13:30 [sperrott] carol_jean>But not all men can awaken. Is there not a gradational stick in the world of men in the same way that there is a stick of creation?
17:14:16 [carol_jean] sperrott> you got me there. Go slow and explain more, please
17:15:07 [sperrott] Let me find something a moment
17:15:08 [carol_jean] sperrott> to l7:09:l2 the yes was to the second question, not the first
17:18:01 [sperrott] ‘Because people are too lazy to live, too lazy to think and feel, they tend to escape sould tempests and spiritual adventure and to steep themselves in labours that mke them oblivious of their inner world…..
17:18:45 [carol_jean] sperrott> Boy do I ever agree
17:19:04 [sperrott] ……………..that is good for them. In this way, those too lazy to live become truly industrious. That is good for the world’.(Jacob Klatzkin)
17:19:46 [sperrott] oops
17:20:37 [carol_jean] sperrott> OK, I need help interpreting both the graadational stick as you use it and this Klatzkin quotation. Are they good for the world in some “large numbers” way?
17:21:18 [sperrott] Show me a man that can do all things…..then there will be no need for the ones that can only do some.I do not farm-I do work to be awake.The farmer isnt working to be awake; but I do eat the poultry and beef that he rears.
17:22:44 [sperrott] I have a couple more minutes-peeps here are waiting for me to stop so they can watch the movie that they have hired out without me clacking awy on here
17:23:03 [carol_jean] sperrott> Sure, now I got it. But about the gradational stick
17:23:42 [sperrott] What is unrealised potential? Is the man less awake than you unrealised in his potential-or has he reached it?
17:23:53 [carol_jean] sperrott> I’d guess I see the G. stick in creation differently
17:24:07 [sperrott] ??
17:25:09 [carol_jean] sperrott> I think Russ is talking about b those who don’t attempt to reach the potential of Higher centers and states that are the birthright of every man
17:26:19 [sperrott] I doint know what he was referring to. I do know that when we talked about it before-he stated that it is law conformable that there is ‘unrealised potential’
17:27:11 [carol_jean] sperrott> I do try not to judge anyone else as asleep or awake. I am certainlyon a gradational stick. Anyway–have fun at the movie
17:28:01 [carol_jean] sperrott> nor am i implying that you judge, either XXXXXOOOXXX
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