April 11, 2004

[Russell Smith]

America/England

[thedog] Truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it and ignorance may deride it but in the end there it is. –Churchill

[thedog] BEST MOMENTS

[Sarah] Hi there Russ, Steve

[thedog] Best Moment: Reaching the envisioned Ti exactly as it was envisioned.

[stevew] BM: Studying chapter 6 with Su – many pennies dropped about “no mind”.

[stevew] Hi, Sarah.

[jperrott] Good evenin’ all!

[thedog] stevew> Explain more please, You lost money and your mind?

[Sarah] thedog> BM-Recognising and experiencing being able to able to engender potential negative emotion and then turn it around to be able to accumulate it.An exercise that ‘happened’ some time ago-that now I have harnessed and is adding to my being.

[Sarah] jperrott> Evening JP

[stevew] thedog> I lost no money.

[jperrott] Sarah> and to you!

Tony enters this room

johnmcole enters this room

[stevew] thedog> As above, so below. Transitional diagram of Absolute + Eternal Unchanging has parallel with general psyche of Man. Central “dot” reveals all.

[thedog] Sarah> Great Sarah. Keep turning around your genders

[thedog] stevew> Back at ya!

[johnmcole] Unfolding BM or very interesting moment : learning how to better say ‘no’.

[stephen] BM: had an aim of studying this week and i stuck to it. and also displaying confidence during a professional meet and greet

[Sarah] jperrott> BM-Seeing and then being the question and the answer and then the choice to subjigate the hub of FP to climb upwards and kneel in the face of my true quest…Seeing that I am almost at the beginning.

[stevew] jperrott> Evening John. I hope my intervention on the book did not cause any problems – I got your email after I had phoned John and agreed the transaction.

[thedog] johnmcole> Great John, “better saying ‘no'” means saying “yes” to something better.

[jperrott] Sarah> It’s all right to pause on the landing and take a breath – before completing the climb. 😉

[johnmcole]>[thedog] Yes, thank you for that. I’m starting to see how important that is.

[jperrott] stevew> I never blame the messenger! 😉

[Sarah] jperrott> BM-Making a conscoius choice to sacrifice certain parts-certain pictures-to accumulate energy for the tasks I have set myself.

[Sarah] jperrott> ….and then actually becoming free for the task prior to any struggle at all!

[jperrott] Sarah> Sounds like “girding ones loins” to me.

[jperrott] Sarah> does June still have the facility to get on line?

[johnmcole] I have also been having an interesting exchange with a fellow seeker who contacted me out of the blue. She had previously spent much time in other groups and is now looking for something more.

[Sarah] jperrott> Recognition that my body’s fate is in my hands.I spent so long under the illusion that my body was my jailor rather than now-my temple.

[Sarah] jperrott> Yes she does.I rememinded her about the chat earlier.

[thedog] After BEST MOMENTS, who has a question, a discovery or both?

[Tony] B.M. experimenting with not doing things

[thedog] johnmcole> A man’s being attracts his life…you seem to be attracting seekers. Way to go!

[thedog] Tony> What were you able to “not do”?

[stephen] I used to think of goals or something that I wanted to accomplish as an obstacle to get past, or ‘denying force’, but last week I thought of “it as actually the completing principle DO, and me the denier by negative attitudes and wrong thoughts

[stephen] “it”

[Tony] I am just experimenting not doing things I normally would to see if I could actually not ask a question and what that would be like

[Sarah] thedog> Is mans potential role, to be a transmitter of certain forces passing through the ray of creation?Is the aim to become the perfect tool to refine energies and pass them up the ray again?Does the evolution of the ray of creation depend on the conscoiusness of man bridging the gap between

[stevew] stephen> Did that give any insight as to how the reconciling force might manifest?

[thedog] stephen> Fantastic observation! Aims are fundamental to hitting targets

[Sarah] thedog> …the earth and all planets?

[stevew] sarah> It seems to me that everything fills a role just by its being. It also seems that there is a role for a conscious being and Man can fill that role. Did you mean more?

[stephen] stevew> I hadn’t got that far yet! I do know that the emotional center works as a reconciling force, so certainly by changing attitudes that might tip the balance of the scale

[thedog] Sarah> Man’s potential role is to be a Man. If “Man” becomes Man, he may pass up the ray of his creation. The evolution of the Ray depends on massive attempts. Someone is going to fulfill it…might as well be you.

[Sarah] thedog> praise be

[Sarah] johnmcole> Hi John.I hope you have managed some time to be

[Sarah] johnmcole>

[stephen] thedog> are attitudes similar to postures in the emotional center?

[Sarah] stevew> Does the evolution of the ray of creation depend on the conscoiusness of man bridging the gap between

[Sarah] stevew> …..thew earth and all planets?

[thedog] stephen> That would be a good way to describe it. The emotional center has a disposition towards certain things, creating an attitude in the intellectual center based on that disposition.

[stevew] Sarah> I would answer that organic life gives the possibility for impressions to evolve and that consciousness admits of further kinds of impressions.

[Sarah] stevew> …and the effect on the evolution of the ray?…if any???

[stevew] Sarah> There is a descending “ray” and an ascending “return”. They take different forms but fill the same points in the octave.

[jperrott] Sarah> A significant factor is that Nature can only raise itself to La. Something more is required to bridge the La-Ti stopinder. That something more is man – without qquotation marks.

[jperrott] Sarah> …and without a stutter! 😉

[Sarah] stevew> Yes-so when we become impartial we can move easily up and down the octave…and when we become objective,we can reason and choose paths of right action too.Does this right action have an effect on the overall health of the ray of creation??

[stevew] Sarah> Right attitude and right action are needed for evolution.

[thedog] At some point, it appears as if, there are no descending octaves .. Just ascending octaves … octaves ascending at the expense of other octaves. Eating and being eaten. Somebody’s down is somebody else’s up.

[Sarah] thedog> ..if there are two

[stephen] thedog> especially when you walk on your hands

[Tony] thedog> I have passed through many births, and so have you, Arjuna. I know them all , you do not…Is their another meaning or why does the Bahagavad Gita talk so much about re-incarnation?

[thedog] Sarah> The Ray is and will remain healthy, with or without man. It is bigger than Man and there are trillions of rays. By sheer numbers it will continue.

[Sarah] jperrott> Thank heaven for choice

[gary] good evening all, sorry to be late

[Sarah] thedog> Thankyou.

[Sarah] gary> Hi Gary

[gary] HI SARAH

[jperrott] Sarah> Actually, to have choice, one must have earned the freedom. If you have it, thank yourself – and the Laws that make it so!

[jperrott] Sarah> s/so/possible

[gary] B/m seeing the joy on the childrens faces whilst playing ball

[Sarah] jperrott> Heaven is not external.

[thedog] Tony> When man changes what he is for what he becomes, that is reincarnation. With each new understanding, he is born again. It may be to this idea that the passages refer.

[jperrott] Tony> In support of Russ’s offering, it’s worth remembering that Krishna is Arjuna’s higher. As such, he doesn’t forget!

[thedog] Tony> Saul of Tarsus was reincarnated as Paul the Apostile.

[stephen] even Christians are born again!

[stephen] Happy Easter, everyone who cares

[gary] thedog> in re. to running, is it still work just to stop thoughts and observe the centres, that is not to practise the 3 fold attention exercise

[jperrott] stephen> April Fools is probably what they should be referring to!

[Tony] thedog> On a previous chat you said the evidence not being able to see in to the future was september 11th, but it seems that they may have been told by security forces and did not believe them, never mind not believing clairvoyants.

[Tony] evidence (for)

[thedog] gary> Anything you do intentionally and know for what purpose you’re doing it, is work

[Sarah] jperrott> Is Paul still studying CS?

[jperrott] Sarah> As far as I know, yes – and practising some basic exercises.

[thedog] Tony> A sane man would conceive every possibility. Does that mean that when one of those possibilities happen that he was forewarned?

[Sarah] jperrott> and Dominic?

[jperrott] Sarah> As far as I know; I haven’t heard from him yet.

[Tony] thedog> I don’t understand seeing every possibility…only the ones i have time to think about

[thedog] Tony> I can see into the future…your timing belt is going to break…your water pump is going to lock up…your tire is going to go flat…

[Tony] How do you know that seeing into the future is not a possibility?

[Tony] thedog> In the clairvoyant sense?

[jperrott] Tony> Here’s a “Y” for your tyre so it doesn’t go flat from fatigue!

[thedog] Tony> Yes, without exact certainty as to when the timing belt..the water pump..the tire will go bad we don’t know. So we try to prevent the most probable.

[gary] jperrott> whilst running I observe tension in my muscles, especially in the jaw – neck – shoulders and chest, the same tension I feel most of the time, it appears that my level of fitness can increase by simple relaxing consciously.

[Sarah] Tony> In life we ‘trust’ and in the work we ‘know’.If we can know and ‘remember’-what need is there to see into the future?

[thedog] Tony> How do I know that seeing into the future is not a possibility? Because I have seen the past.

[jperrott] gary> It is highly likely that any effort you make is always accompnied by that tension. Make it your God to do anything and everything with minimum tensions and energy-expenditure.

[stevew] Tony> In quantum mechanics, the future remains only a bundle of probabilities until observed, which can only happen with direct contact. However, it does seem that the past can be changed.

[jperrott] Tony> I suggest that the only men who can see the future are those who can change it.

[gary] jperrott> I see that, and thank you !

[jperrott] Tony> …and they’re the ones who can change today!

[stephen] studying the enneagram, there are several lines that point into the future, and by utilizing those lines, our success is law-conformable

[thedog] Imagine someone who could truely see the future. He would win every lottery and would soon have all the money and would rule the world.

[thedog] I hope it’s me

[stevew] thedog> If he could see the future, he might realise that his money would all be declared worthless by the other punters.

[stephen] thedog> you joker

[jperrott] thedog> That doesn’t argue against someone having cognisance of part of the future – only all of it!

[thedog] GONG GONG…wow, time is up and it was great discussion. I will stay longer, if it continues.

[Tony] What about Nostradamus

[stephen] thank you everyone

[stevew] Tony> Have you read any of his predictions?

[Tony] I confess I only saw a film on his predictions

[Tony] ‘Hister’ instead of ‘Hitler’ etc…

[thedog] jperrott> Yes, sir. But only as to trends or to likelihood from his observations. To know specifically the next exact manifestation is non-law conformable.

[stevew] Tony> They need a very great deal of “flexible” interpretation to match the supposed events they foretell.

[thedog] Tony> Was it biased by its producers?

[Tony] thedog> It was sensationalised yes, but I hope they still reported the facts

[thedog] Tony> If you wrote 100 predictions. I’ll bet that 5% of them will happen or could be interpreted as happening.

[jperrott] I predict that I’ll be off-line within 1 minute. Love and best wishes to all!

[stevew] Tony> It seems to me that at the most fundamental level the universe is purely chaotic. Really random. Even God could not predict the future … except on a larger scale where the action of the laws make order out of chaos.

[Tony] thedog> I remember watching about a man in a blue turban from the middle East creating havoc and it was 10 years ago I watched it

[thedog] jperrott> sooth sayer

[stevew] Tony> If one has all the time in the world, one can “bet” on large numbers because they will always “come through” … somewhere, sometime, somehow.

[Tony] thedog> I will look at it again with a critical mind

[thedog] Tony> That is always the best approach. The scientific method demands proofs and that which can be duplicated by everyone who attempts the experiment.

[Sarah] I am going now. I need to prepare. Thankyou for a great chat!…and love to all.xxx

[stevew] Goodnight all!

[thedog] Thanks, everyone for your contributions.

[thedog] DOG GONE

[Tony] Night Night, thanks to everyone….see you next week….I predict!!!!

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