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[thedog] Best Moments

[thedog] Mine: Phone calls with Carol Jean, Symon, and Alfonso. Each, achieving milestones in their work. Alfonso likened it to the third transformation for him; April Fools being the first and Double or Nothing the second.

[scrivs] BM : The answer to the 2p-5s question is ….( I think ) … our galaxy.

[thedog] Another best moment: The efforts of a student to deny a chief feature.

[bubbles] Fools rush in, greetings all Jon and Nan

[scrivs] thedog> What feature, and how did they get on ?

[bubbles] Best moment for Nan–class this morning

[thedog] Another best moment: The skill of the students in completing octave tests and their excitement in understanding it.

[scrivs] bubbles> Hi to you , and especially you!

[bubbles] Best moment for Jon–Nan in the chat room.

[thedog] scrivs> The denying of alcohol to oneself. Stupendously!

[scrivs] thedog> That I can applaude. ( If I could spell it !)

[bubbles] thedog> The model you used this morning with the trampoline was perfect, I’ll use it. Thank you, Jonny

[thedog] Another best moment: Pamela’s memory work —

[thedog] With an objective way, man can actually, finally, use Reason for what it was intended: To cognize and understand the structure so well, on any scale, and with practical application, man can escape the need for physical and emotional suffering in order to acquire consciousness; we can overcome the evolutionary birthright of the lower DO, with thoughts.

[thedog] OTHER BEST MOMENTS

[scrivs] thedog> That is superb.

[stephenc] I had a good week

[scrivs] thedog> Seeing that we spend say 20 or 30 years aquiring conditioning, and then fight like hell to keep it, even tho’ we know better.( This was in a conversation with a client ).

[stephenc] i made many attempts and it has led me in a new direction for struggle

[stephenc] russ, after reading the fourth way about self-will, how can i keep the struggle from becoming self-willed?

[bubbles] idn’t it great! nobody made a rule that memory work has to be what someone else understood?

[scrivs] thedog> Bm: Having fun with a diagram that covers 15 scales or so, and all activity on the planet. It was from this that I got the answer to the 2p 5s question.

[thedog] stephenc> Like what it does not like.

[thedog] stephenc> And the thing that the machine likes least of all is making efforts.

[bubbles] stephenc> maybe the struggle should be self-willed.jonny

[thedog] scrivs> Great! E-mail me or fax, if you wish, your plots

[stevew] Hi.

[scrivs] jperrott> Shirl has just told me that you proposed a day for bookwork. Which is …..please ?

[Tony] Best Moment: Getting rid of a stubborn passenger

[jperrott] thedog> My experience is that the machine makes efforts all the time! what it doesn’t like is changin direction! 😉

[stephenc] thedog> another thing i noticed this week was that i’ve been less willing to just hand myself “accomplishments”, after seeing how many of my previous “accomplishments” have flown out the window

[thedog] Tony> Great. Which passenger and how did you evict him from your carriage?

[scrivs] thedog> I’ve had to rip 0ff some wallpaper to get it all on. It turns out to be the curriculum for a genuine University .

[stephenc] that one i really want to remember

[jperrott] scrivs> Tuesday – your choice of time and duration.

[thedog] stephenc> Good observation! G called it pouring from the empty into the void.

[jperrott] stevew> Evenin’ Steven. Felling better?

[thedog] jperrott> Yes. It is usually only interested in the direction it has chosen at the moment.

[scrivs] stevew> Hallo Steve . Hope you are on song again.

[stevew] jperrott> Well, the ship still has the resources to repel boarders, thank goodness. Each hour sees an improvement.

[jperrott] thedog> I bvelieve that’s called momentum, isn’t it?

[Tony] thedog> he had a lot of negative thoughts and he left when he was shown all the trouble he managed to cause last time when he was alowed to stay in the carriage

[thedog] Tony> Good Mr. T!

[jperrott] stevew> Somtimes such an interrupt enables a transformative change! Any evidence of same?

[stevew] jperrott> I have been “taking stock” and removing some of the stuff from the shelf that is past its “sell by” date, yes.

[stevew] jperrott> Much more clarity about what is really at risk in the Work.

[stephenc] thedog> how to distinguish between pouring into the void, and recognizing real changes? i’m uncertain of myeslf

[jperrott] stevew> Sounds like a sound move to me – we should, perhaps, all take such stock of our current assets.

[jperrott] stevew> Objectively, or course! 😉

[stevew] jperrott> Remorse, too, about past posturing … but a handful of really tangible goods, worth having.

[scrivs] stevew> What risks pray ?

[jperrott] stevew> The result of remorse-based transorfmations is – real profit

[stevew] scrivs> The risk, for example, that one may come within a gnats whisker of really finding truth of self and then lose it in a self-willed surrender to laziness. All without knowing it, of course, which is a kind of blessing.

[thedog] stephenc> Uncertainty is good. It is the mother of verification, which dispells uncertainty. What you can verify gives you a place to expand from. Your state this week after making massive attempts, whic you described as, “like after April Fools”, sounds verifyable.

[scrivs] stevew> Like not having the dollar just to pay for the postage stamp ?!

[jperrott] stevew> Such is “the mercy of God”. The ” Grace of God” is that there could be such a risk at all! 😉

[stephenc] i was not doubting my state, i guess more my ability to maintain it

[stevew] scrivs> Well, more like having the dollar but not wanting to pay full price for the postage.

[stephenc] ew bad color ;-P

[bubbles] lesr we forget the foundation on which our aim is built

[jperrott] stevew> Eureka!

[thedog] “Grace is a bit of truth that allows one to see things in a new way” –GOD, on an episode of ‘Joan of Arcadia’.

[thedog] stephenc> If massive attempts brought you to it, then you already know something about its maintenance.

[stephenc] thedog> thank you. now, how to use the smiley icons?

[jperrott] stevew> Nobody gets anything half-price – let alone for nothing”! 😉

[thedog] jperrott> Here here

[jperrott] stevew> They may arrive late – but they still have to gicve it their best shot to get paid (Parable of the Vineyard).

[thedog] jperrott> I think that’s a British statement of agreement?

[jperrott] stevew> Fence-sitters don’t get paid – they didn’t actually perform!

[scrivs] thedog> Another BM was getting to the point where I could say, and intend, ‘I do not have the time to waste on that thing’. This thought alone changed everything .

[thedog] scrivs> Bravo!!!!

[jperrott] stevew> They may think that something exciting is going to happen – in any moment – but, actually, their simply having difficulty balancing!

[bubbles] thedog> here here. might be those Brits counting casting their vote twice?

[stephenc] nevermind i figured it out finally

[jperrott] stevew> s/their/they’re 😉

[scrivs]>[thedog] > Thank the Lord ! Then I thought of you ! I’m a bit slow, but I’ll get there .

[thedog] stephenc> Great. describe your figuring, if you can, for everyon’s benefit.

[thedog]>[scrivs] I am humbled…NOT

[jperrott] stevew> Naturally I’m simply talking to you about things. As to whether I’m talking about you – you’ll have to decide! 🙂

[stevew] jperrott> It seems to me that there is a deeply ingrained tendency to allow the false parts to just “do their thing” … an aspect of “allowing things to preceed without attention”, I guess.

[stephenc] i was referring to figuring out the smileys

[jperrott] stevew> By definition! What else unregenerative man do – in the beginning – except to attemtp to excel at his formatory understanding of the Work’s concepts? No blame! 🙂

[stevew] jperrott> Only, those false parts have all got an agenda which is largely around getting food, staying comfortable and being valued.

[thedog] Tony> Back to the undesired passenger: Do you know where you picked him up? If so, stay off of that street!

[scrivs]>[thedog] > Don’t get me wrong! You told me that phrase ‘n’ times. It did stick. Just telling you your efforets went home.

[jperrott] stevew> Precisely! How could it be otherwise? It’s intelligent behaviour, isn’t it? Only it doesn’t lead to Being. ;-(

[thedog] stephenc> Shit! I thought it was figuring out how to tell the difference between “after reading the fourth way about self-will, how can i keep the struggle from becoming self-willed?”.

[jperrott] stevew> Only the practivces offered by the Fourth Way, fleetingly undertaken, gradually lead to the aggregation of Being!

[stephenc] thedog> now, that i would share

[thedog] jperrott> Yes, until then it is the aggravation of not being.

[jperrott] stevew> Onve Being is adequate Being is acquired, the resultant understanding causes it to be “all downhill” 🙂

[stephenc] thedog> ha! that’s me

[jperrott] stevew> s/onve/once Sorry!

[stevew] jperrott> So … I continue to struggle with Presence Momentum because, like breathing when I eat or being aware as I go to/from the car, I can see that it is something that this machine should be able to do.

[jperrott] stevew> With respect, no! It’s because it’s possible, gives you control over the machine – so making the machine work for you!

[thedog] OTHER BEST MOMENTS OR QUESTIONS…..?

[jperrott] stevew> Once that momentum is established, you can shoose when to ignore the Reminders! 🙂

[jperrott] stevew> …given you’re wearing your best shoose! 😉

[bubbles] You and yours are always welcome here.jonny/TO scrivs

[scrivs] bubbles> I feel that . Ta ever so much !

[stevew] jperrott> Did anything of which I should be aware come out in yesterday’s class?

[jperrott] stevew> Yes! We missed you! 🙂

[Tony] thedog> Best Moment: Seeing the connection between conditioning, why man can not do and what you can get from the work

[thedog] Tony> Great Tony, that puts you on the edge of being able to do.

[scrivs] thedog> Is it correct to think that , in the evolution of matter, that it is the ‘higher’, ‘mental’ material that is evolved ?

[thedog] scrivs> Three forces must each evolve for the 12 to evolve. It can not do it by itself, so it shoves up the physical, enlivens it with the astral, and accelerates it with itself.

[scrivs] thedog> So…all matter may evolve ? Even’ the physical ?

[thedog] stephenc> Share your best moment of class, and the results of you willing yourself to make massive attempts.

[thedog] scrivs> Yes, or it may not. depends on the enneagramer.

[stephenc] i was finally able to commit myself to the excercise of massive attempts over several days. it remains a priority for me, and here is why

[bubbles] scrivs> Why not? Law of Conservation of Energy.

[stephenc] during my many attempts, i noticed that i was constantly having to step in and stop some inner dialogue that was taking place, imaginary conversation

[scrivs] bubbles> Sorry. I’m thick. Please spell it out more slowly…..

[stephenc] in fact, the first thing that stopped any particular attemtp was a new conversation

[stephenc] well, generally

[stephenc] anyways when i finally constated this to myself in a clear way i understood that this was a major leak

[bubbles] scrivs> I could be wrong. Maybe physical evolving is not the same as physical changing states of matter.

[stephenc] it was definitely an “AHA!” moment, that lasted actually several hours i could not sleep

[stephenc] and i just promised myself to continue to work against this tendency

[scrivs] bubbles> Dunno. Must ponder.

[stephenc] so this continues to enliven me, after having a long period of not feeling like i was going anywhere really in my work

[scrivs] stephenc> Bloody fantastic my friend ! Will meet you soonish for more enlightenment !

[thedog] DONG DONG…OUR TIME OF CHAT HAS EXPIRED. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. PLEASE ENCOURAGE OTHER STUDENTS IN YOUR GROUP TO JOIN US NEXT WEEK. LOVE TO YOU ALL. THE DOG.

America/Mexico

[claudia] hola a todos los que vayan llegando

[claudia] hello Rossell

[thedog] Helo Claudia

[thedog] Best Moments

[joaquin] hola RUSELL

[thedog] joaquin> Hola, buenas noches a todos.

[thedog] mejor momento

[thedog] está esperando que escriban su mejor momento de la semana

[claudia] darme cuenta que con grandes esfuerzos puedo transformarme

[thedog] gon> Buenas noches Gonzalo

[thedog] azavala> Buenas noches Alfonso

[joaquin] el vir

[azavala] HOLA, BUENAS NOCHES.- CÓMO ESTÁN?

[azavala] thedog> HELLO RUSS, YOU ARE LEARNING SPANISH SO FAST!!!

[gon] Me emosiono observar cuanto hay que aprender para entender lo que dice “El Purgatorio”. Siento la necesidad de entenderlo.

[thedog] azavala> Are you maintaining that wonderful new 10

[azavala] thedog> ALL RIGHT!!!! AT TEN!!! LOVELY TEN!!!

[gon] Esta emocion fue mi mejor momento de la semana

[thedog] My Best Moment: Phone calls with Carol Jean, Symon, and Alfonso. Each, achieving milestones in their work. Alfonso likened it to the third transformation for him; April Fools being the first and Double or Nothing the second.

[thedog] Another best moment: Pamela’s written memory work —

[thedog] With an objective way, man can actually, finally, use Reason for what it was intended: To cognize and understand the structure so well, on any scale, and with practical application, man can escape the need for physical and emotional suffering in order to acquire consciousness; we can overcome the evolutionary birthright of the lower DO, with thoughts.

[joaquin] el viernes ante un acto sin quererlo de manuelito fui invadido por una gran emocion negativa lo fantasatico es que pude verla y decidi tratarlo con dulzura el poder darse cuenta me creo un momento de centro magnetico

[azavala] thedog> gon.- GONZALO SAID THAT HES HAD AN EMOTION WHEN HE SAW HOW MANY THINGS HE HAS TO LEARN TO UNDERSTAND WHAT PURGATORY IS. HE FEELS THE NECESSITY TO UNDERSTAND

[thedog] Another best moment: The skill of the students in completing octave tests and their excitement in understanding it.

[claudia] en esta semana cuando mis hijos me han sacado de zona de confot no he expresado negatividad y los he considerado externamente, teniendo como resultado mas armonia

[thedog] gon> Bravo Gonzalo. Undrestanding shall be yours, for I know you, you will look and study until you possess it.

[azavala] RUSS DICE QUE SU MEJOR MOMENTO FUERON SUS LLAMADAS TELEFONICAS CON CAROL JEAN, SYMON Y ALFONSO.- CADA UNO DE ELLOS AVANZANDO MILLAS EN SU TRABAJO. ALFONSO ALCANZÓ LA TERCERA TRANSFORMACION PARA EL, LA PRIMERA FUE EL APRIL FOOLS Y LA SEGUNDA EL DOBLE O NADA

[azavala] HOLA A TODOS.- LES AGRADECERÍA QUE SUS COMENTARIOS FUERAN PRECISOS Y CONCISOS A FIN DE FACILITAR LA TRADUCCIÓN.

[azavala] RUSS DIJO QUE OTRO DE SUS MEJORES MOMENTOS FUE LA MEMORIA DEL TRABAJO ESCRITA POR PAMELA

[claudia] a que o a quien te refieres exactamente?

[joaquin] he trabajado particularmente con el razonamiento activo y encuentro que es una puerta que conduce a la consideracion externa

[azavala] RUSS DIJO.- CON UN CAMINO OBJETIVO EL HOMBRE PUEDE FINALMENTE USAR LA RAZÓN PARA LO QUE FUE HECHA: PARA CONOCER Y ENTENDR LA ESTRUCTURA O CUALQUIER ESCALA CON APLICACIONES PRACTICAS, EL HOMBRE PUEDE ESCAPAR DE LA NECESIDAD DEL SUFRIMIENTO FISICO O EMCIONAL A FIN DE ADQUIRIR CONSCIENCIA

[azavala] OTRO MOMENTO DE RUSS FUE LA HABILIDAD DE LOS ESTUDIANTES EN COMPLETAR LAS PRUEBAS DE LAS OCTAVAS Y SU EMOCIÓN AL ENTENDERLAS.

claudia exits from this room

[azavala] claudia> thedog.- tHIS WEEK MY KIDS TOOK ME OUT OF MY ZONE OF CONFORT AND I DIDN´T EXPRESS NEGATIVITY AND I HAD EXTERNAL CONSIDERING, AND I HAD MORE ARMONY

[azavala] thedog> gon.- BRAVO GONZALO.- EL ENTENDIMIENTO SERÁ TUYO POR QUE YO SE QUE LO BUSCARAS Y ESTUDIARAS HASTA POSEERLO

[thedog] joaquin> Very good Claudia

[gon] Para entender escritos intencionalmente velados, como “El purgatorio”, ademas de leerlos con atencion y emocion varias veces, que mas puedo hacer?

[thedog] Tuve un extraño sueño anoche en el que tu y yo eramos un equipo, como el de los “Expedientes X” y que habíamos sido enviados a una misión a un planeta, para averiguar lo que estaba mal con la gente de alli.

[thedog] Aunque habíamos llegado juntos, teníamos que fingir que teníamos desacuerdos y que por lo tanto ya no estabamos juntos; así que fingimos una discusión y nos registramos en cuartos separados en el motel; sin embargo por la noche yo escalaba por los balcones para platicar contigo.

[azavala] joaquin> thedog.- I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE ACTIVE REASON AND I FIND IT IS A DOOR TO THE EXTERNAL CONSIDERING

[thedog] Decidimos que te infiltrarías en su sociedad, pretendiendo estar solo y en necesidad de compañía, con la esperanza de que te aceptarían como uno de ellos, y funcionó.

[azavala] thedog> joaquin.- MUY BIEN CLAUDIA!!!

[thedog] Entonces una noche en que crucé por los balcones para platicar contigo, la habitación estaba vacía. Ya te habías ido. No te pude encontrar por ningún lugar y tenía que continuar la misión sin tí. Lo hice, pero a dondequiera que iba te buscaba.

[thedog] Finalmente averigué lo que estaba ocurriendo con la gente de alli y horrorosamente lo que probablemente también te había pasado a tí. Descubrí que cualquier cosa que creyera esa gente, se volvía realidad; es decir, cualquier cosa que pretendieran… de alguna manera sucedía,

[thedog] y mientras más se realizaba, más pretendían que así era.

[thedog] Yo estaba aterrorizado. Al principio pensé que simplemente fingiría que lo que nos había pasado en el planeta a nosotros, no había sucedido en realidad, con la esperanza de que pudiera revertir lo sucedido;

[thedog] pero sabía que si lo hacía así, yo caería en la misma psicosis que te había afectado a tí y a todos ellos. Así que tenía que irme sin tí.

[thedog] El planeta fue señalado como fuera de los límites, pero yo me escabullí de regreso alli, siempre esperando encontrarte otra vez, pero nunca pretendiendo que lo haría… pero entonces, desperté y el sueño terminó.

[thedog] Después, tuve un sentimiento hermoso de alivio porque era solo un sueño, sin embargo estaba mezclado de alguna manera con un extraño sentimiento de pérdida.

[thedog] Cosas raras, los sueños; algunas veces sin sentido, otras casi reales.

[thedog] Todo lo que sé es; ¡aléjate de ese planeta!

[thedog] joaquin> It is exciting to find doors

[azavala] joaquin> thedog.- IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND WRITTINGS WITH THE INTENTION TO BE HIDDEN, LIKE THE PURGATORY, BESIDES TO READ IT WITH ATENTION AND EMOTION FEW TIMES, WHAT ELSE CAN I DO?

[azavala] thedog> joaquin.- ES EMOCIONANTE ENCONTRAR PUERTAS!!!

[azavala] thedog> HEY RUSS, WHAT DOES IT MEAN THE SPANISH WRITING?

[azavala] RUSS QUE SIGNIFICADO TIENE ESE TEXTO EN ESPAÑOL?

[thedog] joaquin> We now have a map. When you read, see what you can trace back to the map. What you can place back on the map may have the hidden you seek. What you can not place on the map, probably does not have anything hiding in it.

[thedog] azavala> It means that I copied Miguel from the forum, who translated a post I put in the Forum…so now I look like a Spanish genius…and the students could read something while you were busy translating.

[azavala] thedog> gon.- AHORA TENEMOS UN MAPA.- CUANDO LO LEAS VERAS QUE PUEDES TRAZAR TU RUTA EN EL MAPA.- LO QUE PUEDAS COLOCAR QUE HAS RECORRIDO EN ELMAPA PUEDE CONTENER LO ESCONDIDO QUE BUSCAS. LO QUE NO PUEDAS UBICAR SOBRE EL MAPA, PROBABLEMENTE NO TENGA NADA ESCONDIDO.

[thedog] azavala> But that is probably not what you asked. It means don’t get lost in imagination and stay off of that planet!

[azavala] thedog> SIGNIFICA QUE COPIE UNA TRUDUCCION DE MIGUEL DE ALGO QUE PUSE EN EL FORUM…ASI ME VEO COMO UN GENIO EN ESPAÑOL…Y LOS ESTUDIANTES PUEDEN LEER ALGO MIENTRAS TU ESTAS OCUPADO TRADUCIENDO.

[azavala] thedog> PROBABLEMENTE NO ES LO QUE PREGUNTASTE. SIGNIFICA: NO TE PIERDAS EN LA IMAGINACIÓN Y PERMANECE FUERA DE ESE PLANETA!

[azavala] DISCULPEN LA TARDANZA EN LA TRADUCCIÓN.- ¿TIENEN MAS PREGUNTAS?

[joaquin] los amo a todos chau

[azavala] JOAQUIN SAID.- I LOVE YOU ALL, BY

[thedog] joaquin> adios

[thedog] azavala> Have you heard from Miguel and how his trip was to mexico City?

[claudia] Joaquin dice: Hola otra vez, esta con Claudia por cuestiones tecnicas

[azavala] JOAQUIN SAYS HELLO AGAIN, HE IS WITH CLAUDA BECAUSE TECHNNICAL REASONS!!

[claudia] como puedo darme cuenta que estoy en imaginacion cuando crea que estoy trabajando?

[gon] Gusto de haber estado con ustedes, saludos carinosos y hasta la proxima semana.

[azavala] claudia> thedog.- HOW CAN I NOTICE THAT I AM IN IMAGINATION WHEN I BELIVE I AM WORKING?

[azavala] GONZALO SAID: IT WAS NICE TO BE WITH YOU, LOVELY GREETINGS UNTIL NEXT WEEK

[thedog] claudia> Imagination is like smoke. It disappears and leaves no substance. See what you can verify is real and be suspicious of the rest.

[thedog] gon> Thanks for being here Gonzalo…see you next week.

[azavala] thedog> claudia.- LA IMAGINACION ES COMO EL HUMO. DESAPARECE Y NO DEJA SUBSTANCIA. VE QUE LO QUE PUEDES VERIFICAR ES REAL Y SOSPECHA DEL RESTO.

[azavala] thedog> gon.- GRACIAS POR ESTAR AQUI GONZALO…TE VEO LA PROXIMA SEMANA

[thedog] Ten minutes to go…If there are no other questions, we can end our chat early…if you wish.

[claudia] entonces creo que voy bien, ya que mi vida se ha vuelto mas real, realmente siento que estoy.

[azavala] DIEZ MINUTOS PARA TERMINAR…SI NO HAY MAS PRGUNTAS, PODEMOS TERMINAR NUESTRA CHARLA TEMPRANO…SI UDS. ASI LO DESEAN…

[claudia] Alfonso, dice Joaquin que gracias por ayudarnos con la traduccion.

[azavala] claudia> thedog.- THEN I THINK I AM ON MY WAY, BECAUSE MY LIFE IS MORE REAL, I FEEL I AM.

[azavala] ES UN PLACER!!!

[thedog] claudia> Yee-Haw

[claudia] Gracias Ross, espero tener mas material para la proxima semana, vendre mejor preparada.

[azavala] BUENO, ESO NO NECESITA TRADUCCION!!!

[claudia] Buenas noches y gracias.

[claudia] con todo nuestro amor consciente, con atencion, intension y presencia reciban un abrazo y hasta la proxima.

[azavala] claudia> thedog.- THANK YOU RUSS, I HOPE TO HAVE MORE MATERIAL TO ASK NEXT WEEK, I WILL BE MORE PREPARED.

[thedog] claudia> Very good. Thank you for sharing part of your efforts and Sunday with me.

[azavala] claudia> thedog.- GOOD NIGHT AND THANK YOU.- WITH ALL CONSCIOUS LOVE, WITH ATENTION, INTENTION AND PRESENCE WE SEND A HUG.- BY.

[azavala] thedog> claudia.- MUY BIEN. GRACIAS POR COMPARTIR UNA PARTE DE SUS ESFUERZOS Y DEL DOMINGO, CONMIGO.

[azavala] THANKS BIG DOG.- GOOD AND PLEASEANT NIGHT!!

[thedog] Ok my dear friends…see you all next week…This Dog is gone…