America / England

15:57:17 [thedog] 😀 Best Moments. Please. 😀

15:58:10 [jperrott] Mine was hearing someone say, “I got it!” – when they probably had. 😉

15:59:41 [thedog] My best moment was finding a passage from Gurdjieff that seems to indicate the process of our newest exercise. “The results of the persevering actualizing of the striving towards the manifestation of one’s own individuality”.

15:59:50 [jperrott] Tony> Good evening Mr. Usher, how’s your Steward?

16:01:34 [Tony] jperrott> I am still experimenting

16:02:08 [thedog] stevew> Thanks for the cc of your progress on your 13 days of christmas assignment. Stellar 🙂

16:02:12 [jperrott] Tony> With, or without him?

16:02:15 [stevew] Best moment was sharing in the simple pleasure of my parents, over Christmas.

16:02:46 [Tony] jperrott> Hopefully with him!

16:04:34 [thedog] Tony> If I may say something….Make Steward a ‘Choice’ not an ‘if happens’. 🙂

16:04:55 [Tony] Best Moment: Seeing what has an impact on negative emotion and also finding ways to insulate myself

16:06:14 [jperrott] Tony> Is that shareable?

16:09:04 [stevew] thedog> “one’s own individuality” … Would that be our striving towards the growth of “being”?

16:09:12 [Tony] jperrott> I have always been knocked sideways by verbal challenges and I have been looking for resources to help me protect my inner world

16:10:26 [jperrott] Tony> Gotcha, thanks for the clarification. We must work towards the lack of need to protect ourselves – but first, we must be able to! 🙂

16:10:38 [thedog] A question for all. How many “attempts” to remember yourself do you make on average each day, not “how many times do you remember yourself”…but how many ‘attempts’?

16:11:28 [Tony] thedog> How do I know what is Steward and what is me?

16:12:15 [jperrott] Tony> For what it’s worth, the blue was better – for me

16:12:39 [Tony] thedog> If you attempt then you are awake enough to remember yourself?

16:13:05 [thedog] stevew> Yes!, as in becoming what we have the right to be. An Indivisible Duality…indivi duality

16:14:00 [stevew] thedog> The two are much the same, since if I realise that I have not been doing so then I renew the process … but I guess around a dozen or more

16:15:20 [thedog] Tony> Almost…If you attempt, massivly, the act of attempting will become mechanical…and then you will be able to remember yourself because there is a automatic part in you that is always attempting to remember yourself.

16:16:45 [thedog] It is the ‘attempt to’ not the result that we wish to make automatic. So a sly man makes massive attempts and quickly becomes the result.

16:16:46 [Tony] thedog> I counted 60 in one day but each attempt will last only 10 seconds or so

16:16:49 [jperrott] thedog> I simply don’t know the answer to your question. If I get “on a roll” it’s pretty much a breathing thang. But it’s punctuated by “time off”.

16:18:25 [thedog] Tony> That’s it! It is not about how long but how many times.

16:18:42 [stevew] thedog> I have found it useful to use sensation as a reminder … then remembering myself renews sensation and I get another reminder

16:19:39 [thedog] jperrott> Perhaps, your previous massive attempts are already creating the permanent self remembering we are seeking, where in, one becomes present at every breath.

16:20:42 [jperrott] thedog> Then so be it!

16:22:42 [jperrott] thedog> I do find that the presence of significant others (not in the boy/girl sense) encourages efforts ro remember.

16:22:58 [thedog] stevew> Excellent!…Now find more reminders and more reminders or just overpower the place with the wish of understanding that says, “you can make anything mechanical if you do it a lot”. So, I will make more ‘massive attempts’ till the attempt becomes automatic. After which, the results are insured.

16:23:44 [Tony] stevew> following on from class I just saw a program that said before the big bang there was no time because there was no space nothing to happen

16:25:33 [stevew] Tony> There has been a “problem” with what happened before creation ever since clerics began debating it. The idea that there was no time is not a new one.

16:26:16 [Tony] stevew> Aren’t time and space dependent on each other?

16:26:34 [stevew] Tony> Our system says that creation of the universe was intentional and there must have been time for intention to form!

16:27:45 [Tony] stevew> Time can be stopped at the middle of a black hole?

16:28:08 [jperrott] stevew> Then time must have commenced when our Endlessness started pondering his problem! 😉

16:28:22 [thedog] Time is the measure of existence. If something exists, there is time. If nothing exists, there is no time and there is no way to know for how long there was no time, for there is nothing to measure.

16:28:58 [stevew] Tony> Time does not stop in a black hole … it just gets stretched.

16:29:47 [stevew] jperrott> I would guess that constating the problem also required time

16:30:38 [jperrott] stevew> I understand the stretching as a comparative inference based on what happens to the space-extended stuff.

16:31:05 [stevew] Tony> If you fell into a black hole then you would not notice any change in your perception of time.

16:32:09 [thedog] You would also be dead.

16:32:27 [stevew] jperrott> Yes, it is a difficult area on which to experiment but the presence of “rays” of radiation from a spinning black hole (which have been observed) are a partial confirmation of the mathematics.

16:32:32 [Tony] thedog> It is not the time that is stopped for the holy sun but the decay of stuff. That’s why the universe is a support system?

16:33:07 [jperrott] stevew> Because my perception would also be correspondingly “squidged”.

16:33:48 [thedog] Tony> Almost…the decay has not stopped either, but now there is an inflow of more stuff that will compensate for the decay.

16:34:12 [stevew] thedog> Actually, the mathematics says you would not die until the matter that formed you was condensed to neutron density. (But it’s a moot point as beyond the event horizon you could neither see or be seen!)

16:34:34 [jperrott] Alison sends Greetings to all! 🙂

16:35:23 [stevew] Hello, Alison. Merry New Annual Oscillation

16:35:48 [Tony] jperrott> Hello Alison

16:36:43 [thedog] stevew> I think, not disrespecting the math, that you would burn up long before you reached the event horizon. The mater you are made of may still exist…but you do not.

16:37:40 [stevew] thedog> Probably true.

16:39:52 [thedog] “The results of the persevering actualizing of the striving towards the manifestation of one’s own individuality”.

16:41:54 [jperrott] thedog> I noticed it was unlikely that one would continue to Remember to Remember whilst thinking about black holes! 😉

16:42:43 [thedog] jperrott> Yes, they are easy to get sucked into.

16:43:18 [jperrott] thedog> Nice one!

16:43:45 [thedog] Any other understanding acquired this week?

16:44:42 [thedog] Understanding being when you knowledge gets into your being. You manifest from it.

16:45:00 [jperrott] thedog> Charles came up with a useful perception in recognising that Inner Considering pretty well sums up the psychology of unregenerate man.

16:46:29 [stevew] thedog> I got a very clear understanding of how it is that many people do not want to sacrifice their identifications.

16:46:54 [thedog] jperrott> Great wisdom…or is it observation…or both

16:47:12 [jperrott] stevew> …because their identifications ARE their psychology! :-((

16:47:32 [stevew] jperrott> Indeed.

16:47:43 [jperrott] thedog> They tend to be-long together! 😉

16:47:50 [thedog] stevew> Great observation…or is it wisdom…or both

16:49:13 [thedog] stevew> Seeing that, will help you see it in yourself. It is an accelerated path. Bravo!

16:49:23 [jperrott] thedog> Alison observes that it is relatively easy to incorporate 1st Line Work into 2nd Line.

16:51:17 [thedog] jperrott> Great Ali! 1st line, by definition, must include all three lines.

16:51:19 [stevew] jperrott> TO Alison: It seems to be that work on being also benefits / blends well with 3rd line work. I noticed a distinct sense of “challenge” when thinking about what I could offer as 3rd line work.

16:53:53 [jperrott] Alison says that she supposes that, in order to practice 3rd Line Work, one must be relatively selfless. However, all this will come out “in the wash” by the 13th Day of Christmas.

16:54:00 [Tony] jperrott> could being be 3rd line knowledge 1st and understanding 2nd …or not?

16:54:53 [thedog] stevew> If one thinks about lines of work in the terms of payment, then each line must receive a certain payment.

16:55:28 [jperrott] For the moment, I’d rather this “essence task” didn’t become a “group event”. But I am looking forward to your report and comments at the due date.

16:56:21 [thedog] “The results of the persevering actualizing of the striving towards the manifestation of one’s own individuality”….makes payment, in all three lines, easy.

16:56:31 [jperrott] Tony> For the moment, I’d rather this “essence task” didn’t become a “group event”. But I am looking forward to your report and comments at the due date.

16:58:08 [thedog] 3 minutes…quick, another best moment…

16:59:25 [stevew] thedog> A moment of constating the smallness of the human reason – even that of the whole planet – in comparison to that of the Endlessness.

16:59:52 [jperrott] It’s a good opportunity to wish those present a Happy New Annual Oscillation! :-))

17:00:06 [Tony] thedog> It seems our inner world is endless?

17:00:17 [thedog] Best moment. Seeing 40 dualities (80 oscillations) in the structure.

17:01:08 [thedog] DONG——-THE TIME FOR OUR CHAT HAS ENDED.

17:02:00 [stevew] thedog> Best wishes to you and all at Sanger … for now and for the year to come.

America / Mexico

21:59:06 [thedog] 😀 Best Moments. Please 😀

21:59:30 [thedog] My best moment was finding a passage from Gurdjieff that seems to indicate the process of our newest exercise. “The results of the persevering actualizing of the striving towards the manifestation of one’s own individuality”.

22:05:20 [thedog] Great class, glad you were there.

22:06:00 [csmith] I enjoyed reading your post from A&E earlier today.

22:07:30 [thedog] That whole section on the Reason of Knowing and the Reason of Understanding is supurb.

22:09:05 [csmith] how’s Symon’s journey progressing?

22:09:52 [thedog] Symon is doing great. Sharp mind, good being.

22:10:23 [thedog] Starting Chapter 5 tomorrow.

22:10:32 [csmith] great

22:10:54 [csmith] zooming along, wouldn’t you say?

22:11:14 [thedog] Yes.

22:11:43 [thedog] Have you increased your Being-Autokolizikners today?

22:13:08 [csmith] If pondering self-importance, inner considering and looking for remnants of same qualify, the answer is absolutely, “yes.”

22:13:48 [thedog] Yee-Ha

22:14:46 [thedog] “The results of the persevering actualizing of the striving towards the manifestation of one’s own individuality”.

22:14:52 [csmith] Also examining the new quality of external considering resulting from a “cleaner” machine

22:15:14 [thedog] Sorry to repeat myself but I like the way that sounds.

22:15:50 [csmith] The day has been a gigantic “I AM”

22:16:13 [csmith] thedog> has a nice ring to it

22:16:31 [thedog] Hola jorge and gon! We are stuck without a translator.

22:19:16 [jorge] HOLA RUSSELL,BUENAS NOCHES A TODOS

22:19:21 [thedog] Mejores Momentos

22:19:37 [gon] En el desarroyo de una octava consiente de hecho hay cuatro chocks

22:20:57 [thedog] My Mejores Momentos: ‘los resultados de la actualización perseverante de la lucha hacia la manifestación de nuestra propia individualidad.”

22:20:59 [jorge] MI MEJOR MOMENTO FUE EL DIA DE HOY COMPARTIENDO CON YOLA Y TAMBIEN CON USTEDES

22:22:45 [thedog] No habla Espanola. Where is Miguel?

22:26:57 [jorge] I I DON’T SPEAK ENGLISH

22:27:56 [csmith] we don’t speak spanish, but we are together in the Fourth Way!

22:28:41 [thedog] I am saddened that I can not answer your questions. Perhaps someone from Mexico will join us and be able to translate. If not I will personally take the responsibility to make sure someone is always with us in the future.

22:28:49 [gon] En el desarroyo de una octava consiente de hecho hay cuatro shocks porque si no introducimos un Do en Sol ( digamos la atencion a las fuerzas que afectan al Harnel Aoot) se puede desviar la octava antes de llegar a Si.

22:31:26 [jorge] GON, TU HABLAS ESPAÑOL?

22:32:44 [gon] No tiene la mayor importancia. En las reuniones con personas de habla inglesa siempre logro persivir lo mas importante.

22:33:34 [gon] Si hablo español e intento aprender Ingles:

22:34:21 [jorge] GRACIAS.

22:37:19 [gon] Siento gusto por el plaser de los demas. Esto no es nuevo pero antes una mayaa de yos me convencian de que si no presivia el suceso no valia el goso. Ahora parese que estos yos estaban dormidos.

22:37:25 [jorge] TAMBIEN UNO DE MIS PROPOSITOS ES APRENDER INGLES Y A PARTIR DEL MES DE ENERO EMPIEZA JORGE

22:39:11 [jorge] HOLA JPERROT

22:41:42 [gon] Mi pregunta es: se que la onda de una frecuencia tiene Sima y Cima, ahorita estroy en la Sima, cuando por razon natural se presente la Cima solo tengo que mantener la atencion a travez del acorde de los tres cuerpos?

22:41:53 [thedog] As we have no translator 40 minutes into the chat. It is time to call the game.

22:42:07 [thedog] Bueno amigos… Nos vemos la próxima semana. Gracias por sus preguntas y participación. Si tienen más, no duden en preguntar por correo electrónico. ¡Buenas Noches a todos y que la Presencia de su Presencia se mantenga en el Presente! Bye

22:44:15 [jorge] FELIZ AÑO NUEVO A TODOS

22:45:21 [cccuicatl] feliz año nuevo atodos, cuicatl, es carmen celina de puerto vallarta.

22:45:23 [gon] es envio lo que mi corazon siente: un gran cariño por todos ustedes. Gracias y hasta luego.

22:46:09 [jorge] HOLA CARMEN TE ACUERDAS DE MI DE MEXICO?

22:46:40 [cccuicatl] popr supuesto jorge ,supuse que eras tú

22:47:13 [jorge] COMO ESTAS AHORA?

22:47:55 [jorge] ME DA MUCHO GUSTO VOLVERTE A SALUDAR

22:48:16 [cccuicatl] lamento no haber estado a tiempo, cosas de los domingos…estoy bien. .. atravesando por ciertas notas… . y tu?

22:50:20 [jorge] BIEN GRACIAS A DIOS Y A LA ENSEÑANZA.PROXIMAMENTE IRA YOLANDA A VALLARTA A REALIZAR SU APRILLFOLL, ELLA ES MI PAREJA .

22:51:50 [cccuicatl] estamos listos para recibirla, me dará mucho gusto conocerla…. sigo ayudando a miguel angel con algunos capitulos, y ahora que comiec´e el nuevo año lo haré más tiempo…

22:52:29 [jorge] COMO ESTA TU PAREJA? YA REALIZO SU APRILL FOLL?

22:53:45 [cccuicatl] si ya lo hizo hace bastantes semanas,

22:54:47 [jorge] AVER SI NOS VEMOS EN POCO TIEMPO EN VALLARTA, LEI EN EL CHAT ANTERIOR QUE POSIBLEMENTE IRA RUSSELL PARA ALLA ES ASI’

22:56:27 [jorge] QUE SUGERENCIA ME PUEDES DAR PARA REIR OBJETIVAMENTE, DE ACUERDO MCON LOS EJERCICIOS MAESTROS?

22:56:40 [cccuicatl] escuché la posibilidad de que venga en mayo próximo, al parecer ¡¡bravo¡¡ tendremos otra boda, qué bueno que vengas y trae a enrique y los más que puedan venir……

22:57:53 [cccuicatl] sólo concentrate, en lograrlo, comienza a hacerlo ..y va surgiendo.. con la emocion que la risa provoca…

22:59:47 [jorge] EL CAMINAR CONSCIENTEMENTE ES CASI TODO EL TIEMPO MIRAR LOS PIES Y HACER PARTICIPAR A LOS OTROS CENTROS?

23:00:47 [cccuicatl] es de hecho un triple, con la conciencia de adonde ponemos el pie y de forma lenta…

23:04:08 [jorge] SI DIGO YO COMO CUANDO RESPIRO AL OBSERVAR UNPAISAJE DEBO VISUALIZAR QUE ENTRA EN MI? Y A DONDE VISUALIZO QUE ENTRA A MI CENTRO EMOCIONAL?

23:07:00 [cccuicatl] yo como cuando respiro es para comer impresiones, estas deben incluir el recuerdo de sí, siendo conciente de lo que te esta causando esta impresión también, a´si observaras que esta se convierte en sentimiento hasta lograr una emocion superior..

23:10:27 [jorge] ESTA POR TERMINAR EL TIEMPO EN QUE CIERRAN EL INTERNET, TE ESCRIBO PRONTO Y SI NO ESPERO QUE ESTES TAMBIEN EL PROXIMO DOMINGO ,SALUDAME MUCHO A MIGUEL ANGEL ,A ALEJANDRA Y A TODO EL GRUPO. TE AGRADESCO TU ATENCION Y QUE PASES UN FELIZ Y PROSPERO AÑO NUEVO. CON TODO MI AFECTO Y PRESCENCIA TU HERMANO

23:11:26 [jorge] SALUDAME A CIPRIANO POR FAVOR BAY.

23:11:32 [cccuicatl] fue un placer chatear contigo un abrazo con amor y dalo atodos los que me recuerdan feliz año….¡¡¡¡

23:12:09 [cccuicatl] sí gracias le daré tus saludos…bye¡¡