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1 December 2003 at 6:01 pm #17205
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Keymaster15:51:32 [thedog] THE DOG is back…Yee Ha!
15:51:47 [thedog] A week of best moments…
15:52:34 [thedog] Please post yours when you enter.
15:54:20 [thedog] My best moment was the realization that if a student ever loses the zest for the work, they need only come with me for a week in Puerto Vallarta.
15:55:10 [thedog] jperrott> Hello English Setter
15:56:06 [jperrott] In the bathroom, I notice it was performing a habit only valid in the U.K. As I saw it, I also fleetingly noticed the mechanical attention with which it was being performed.
15:57:30 [jperrott] thedog> Afternoon sir!
15:58:56 [thedog] jperrott> Just got the DVD of the Vocal Majority’s 10th gold medal performance. Brilliant!
15:59:27 [jperrott] thedog> :-))
16:00:09 [SteveW] Best moment was seeing how ordinary (English) language, with its declarative model, encourages formatory identification with only one point of view.
16:00:21 [jperrott] SteveW> Good even, Steven. 🙂
16:00:49 [SteveW] Good evening, John.
16:01:11 [SteveW] Or, I guess, good afternoon (in Texas).
16:01:22 [thedog] SteveW> Brilliant way to say it Mr. Wheeler!
16:01:41 [jperrott] SteveW> Allowed for! 😉
16:04:13 [thedog] After Best Moments…Questions?…or observations?…
16:04:27 [debhartlaw] my best moment today was Mr. Perrott’s granddad’s response to the child’s question when traveling ” Are we there yet” Granddad said “No we are here!!”
16:05:29 [jperrott] Tony> Welcome Usher! Take me to your leader! 😉
16:06:00 [Tony] Hello everyone
16:06:08 [debhartlaw] Deborah has adopted this as the automatic response to all the multiplicity’s comments about everything:-)
16:07:18 [scrivs] Thedog> The Sheriff’s report may outline 7 or more ‘better ‘ moments. One I did not include was about a public talk I gave -‘Signposts to Faith’. Had a moment of insight when saw the factors that made it so excruciatingly painful.
16:09:07 [debhartlaw] Carol Jean is sitting beside me with her best moment: “My best moment was walking on to Mr.Perrott’s porch the night I arrived and feeling a change in my state just be being in the presence of my Sanger friends. It almost felt as if I had put my finger into an electric Socket.:-)
16:09:29 [scrivs] That was 5 years ago.
16:09:34 [SteveW] thedog> The more I see of the machine that I am, the more I it seems that it only becomes more conscious through the exercise of choice. Is that the only function/purpose of choice … that you can see?
16:10:00 [thedog] scrivs> It is amazing how man often reports the higher as “Signposts to…”, as if we are incapable of ever seeing the thing itself!
16:10:15 [SteveW] scrivs> The report has not yet been sent, so feel free to give some of the better moments, too.
16:11:22 [scrivs] Thedog> That title was ‘given’. It amounted to Best Moments on a life scale.
16:11:55 [thedog] SteveW> Great question, Steve. Yes, choice is mechanical ness’ only natural enemy.
16:13:45 [debhartlaw] Carol Jean asks JP to repeat what he said about the difference between choice and “taking a decision”:
16:14:01 [thedog] Tony> Best Moment since April Fools…and by the way, a big congratulations from all of us at THE DOG.
16:15:13 [Tony] A best moment for me was seeing the reason why events trigger a negative emotion in me
16:16:01 [Tony] thedog> Thanks Russ
16:16:20 [bubbles] Sorry I’m late;benn blending;(makin’ concrete blocks). My best moment was being with Alfonso via his letter.. jonny
16:16:36 [jperrott] “Taking a decision invites all our falsity to participate falsely to fulfill false aims” “Choice simply acts – free of prejudice”. (Yeah! I know! But it amounts to the same thing. :-))
16:16:43 [thedog] Tony> ‘ave ya still got your passenger, Govner’?
16:17:04 [Tony] thedog> yup!
16:17:37 [thedog] Tony> Hip! Hip!
16:17:57 [scrivs] ‘ No effort in vain’. An oscillation /octave in scale 1 is reduced 4/9 in scale 2. And so on. By scale 4 the oscillation is about 3% of the original. Forces are much smaller then . Is this reasonable ? If not ,why so ?
16:18:19 [Tony] thedog> Hoorah!
16:18:30 [jperrott] Choice (part 2) “Choice is preceded by a power – the power of Choice”!
16:18:38 [thedog] Tony> Have you started on your 1,001 words?
16:18:45 [SteveW] scrivs> How is an oscillation/octave “reduced”?
16:19:40 [Tony] thedog> Yes, Notes on the Decision to Work
16:20:12 [jperrott] Choice (part 3) The power of Choice and Choice itself = 2 forces!
16:20:54 [thedog] scrivs> The inner octaves occupy less place than the original octave, yet the oscillation is a fixed size. It would actually appear larger in comparison…wouldn’t it?
16:21:08 [thedog] Tony> Great Choice!
16:21:44 [SteveW] scrivs> Larger in comparison to what?
16:23:30 [scrivs] Thedog>It seemed that oscillation= octave.4/9 of that ., one scale down , taken as an octave, has in it an oscillation of lesser size. And so on .
16:24:20 [scrivs] The idea which emerged was that the nearer to wholeness the larger the oscillation.
16:25:16 [scrivs] Does the difference in scale point to difference in being ?
16:25:56 [debhartlaw] How can we know that the Response is really from our Higher?
16:26:21 [thedog] SteveW Larger in comparison to the size of the octaves. If scale 0 occupies 8 inches…Scale 1 octaves occupies only 7 inches and scale 2 would occupy less inches, so any oscillation in scale 1 (proportional to that scale) would be greater in proportion to all scales that followed.
16:29:20 [SteveW] thedog> Are you saying that an oscillation in scale 1 (say) would be experienced as a phenomenon in scale 2 and beyond? Have you an example?
16:29:43 [thedog] scrivs> Don’t know the 4/9 reference. Oscillations of many varying sizes occur in each smaller scale. Which one are you comparing and to which of the original two oscillations (duality) are you comparing it to?
16:31:20 [scrivs] the dog>Major.
16:32:19 [thedog] SteveW> Many Oscillations in Organic Life contain smaller oscillations (cycles) within them. These cycles are dependent on the larger cycle. Is that enough, or do you want more?
16:34:46 [thedog] debhartlaw> When a response comes from the higher, it is usually an Eureka! moment…like looking for something, when you find it you stop looking.
16:35:23 [SteveW] thedog> I think I miss-understood what Ken was proposing.
16:36:39 [thedog] SteveW> He said he would call me about it. But I think he is comparing the size of one oscillation in scale 2 to the size of one oscillation in scale 1, etc…
16:37:00 [debhartlaw] jperrott> We don’t want anymore oscillations we oscillate too much in our inner world as it is! signed the two minor oscillations on line. We want to chat about BEING . Too Intellectual 😉 😉 😉
16:38:30 [jperrott] debhartlaw> If you didn’t oscillate in your inner worlds, you wouldn’t formulate any questions. 😉 😉 😉
16:38:48 [thedog] debhartlaw> What is it like, BEING a minor oscillation?
16:38:51 [scrivs] thedog> I was taking an oscillation as equal to an octave. FA to FA is an octave. In this octave there is an oscillation. That too can be taken as an oscillation . No ? Yes ?
16:39:35 [thedog] scrivs> You mean taken as an octave?… Yes.
16:42:04 [thedog] scrivs> An oscillation FA to FA has within it an oscillation at each end, which is 1/4 the size of the oscillation it is within. These two oscillations, each have two oscillations at their ends that are 1/4 of the oscillation they are in, etc.
16:42:18 [SteveW] debhartlaw> It might help to approach the higher as one does “Viewing without verbalising” – don’t try to “understand” at the same time that the message is coming in, just observe the wholeness of it.
16:42:48 [thedog] scrivs> Half the space is always in oscillation
16:43:04 [jperrott] debhartlaw> Actually, the idea of “chatting” about BEING is very ferny! 😉
16:43:46 [thedog] debhartlaw> I confern.
16:46:01 [Tony] thedog> How can we be 3 brained and have 7 centers or brains?
16:46:04 [bubbles] I’m fernly finished with con…see ya’ll on the porch.jerny
16:46:06 [scrivs] thrdog> Increasing of being is equivalent to greater wholeness?
16:47:00 [thedog] debhartlaw> Man is a machine. But he is a machine that with proper efforts and guidance can see that he is a machine and can the find ways to cease to be a machine. I guess we all have to become mechanics?
16:49:15 [thedog] Tony> Three stories, three acquires personalities, three brains created by the essence and personality of each story. But 7 centers (six actually, as sex is not a center…it is the whole octave) two in each story.
16:50:59 [thedog] scrivs> Increasing of being, increases being…adding it to personality, increases wholeness.
16:52:54 [Tony] thedog> I can’t see the significance of nine movements moving in the work song?
16:53:28 [bubbles] thedog> 16:50:59 Truth in simplicity
16:53:29 [thedog] debhartlaw> Carol Jean…Have you, too, given up on us intellectuals?
16:53:56 [thedog] Tony> Great, The first time I saw it I got Dizzy
16:54:22 [debhartlaw] we are thinking up an intellectual response
16:55:12 [jperrott] debhartlaw> How’s about, “D’oh!” 😉
16:55:31 [Tony] jperrott> No, how do you mean?
16:55:32 [thedog] Tony> You move on the earth. The earth rotates on its axis. The earth and moon wobble. The earth moves round the sun.
16:57:01 [debhartlaw] from Carol Jean : “my time here in Sanger has answered so many of my questions that much of “my brain” is still digesting the food. This Chat Room interchange is still more food for thought. bon appetite!
16:57:03 [thedog] The sun moves round the milky way. The milky way moves with a local group of galaxies. The local group moves within a super local group. The super local group moves in the universe and the universe must, too, be moving.
16:57:21 [thedog] We are moving in nine directions at the same time.
16:57:53 [debhartlaw] Deb : says “burp!!!!!”
16:58:03 [scrivs] Bubbles> How easy or hard is it to be ‘simple’?
16:59:17 [SteveW] debhartlaw> Better out than in?
16:59:36 [bubbles] scrivs> can you offer me a third choice?jonny
16:59:39 [thedog] ONE MINUTE LEFT. Say something profound!
16:59:51 [jperrott] SteveW> Unless you’re standing in front!
17:00:04 [scrivs] Something profound
17:00:37 [SteveW] Don’t keep trying to paint on the water. Let the lake reflect the moonlight.
17:01:22 [jperrott] SteveW> Nice one! :-))
17:01:30 [thedog] Old fishermen never die…they just smell that way.
17:02:10 [jperrott] Love and best wishes to all. 🙂
17:02:47 [SteveW] Congrats to Mr and Mrs Dog
17:02:51 [thedog] Thank you all my friends. Great to be back. I shall see many of you again at 9pm. Thanks for your contributions (even if too intellectual) TA Ta.
17:03:09 [Tony] Thanks….bye!!!
17:03:30 [debhartlaw] Bye from the minors we love all you intellectuals
22:05:06 [caroljean] hello everyone. Best moment today lasted almost all day as I learned something new and priceless toward my work at almost every moment from the class, conversations with everyone here in Sanger and many new things from Smitty and the videos from Puerto Vallarta
22:06:06 [caroljean] hey cs, I’m almost positive smitty will be here anon
22:14:19 [caroljean] when you come to Sanger next I think you will like seeing the videos. They are wonderful visions of Puerto Vallarta
22:15:34 [thedog] Hello my dear friends. I was on the phone with Miguel, who will not be joining us tonight…sorry to be late.
22:15:36 [Cristina] thedog> Hi Russ, how are you?
22:16:11 [thedog] Cristina> Hola Christina
22:17:19 [caroljean] Buenas Noches, cristina– hablas ingles, si? hablo un poco yo pero no uso bien esta maquina–pertenece a una amiga de Sanger.. I was telling cristina hi and apologizing for my slow typing
22:17:27 [csmith] best moment was today when, during a meal, there was an extravagant meeting of air shocking food, transformation of negative emotions into positive emotions, and self remembering. Kinda “shocking”, and like a hungry, conscious person finding just the right food and combination of air, impressions
22:17:59 [Cristina] caroljean> mas o menos, hablo español
22:18:33 [thedog] csmith> What a great best moment Charles.
22:18:41 [Cristina] thedog> Do you feel better?
22:19:12 [thedog] Cristina> Si. God has returned to the Universe
22:19:54 [csmith] thedog> the “all shocks” analogy seems to fit precisely
22:20:03 [Cristina] thedog> that’s good
22:20:50 [caroljean] to cristina, mi mejor momento no es uno estoy en Sanger y a cada momento aprendo tanto que me siento nueva a cada momento
22:21:01 [thedog] csmith> In the board game, you only need three of those to be able to win the game…any extra are wild!
22:22:13 [Cristina] thedog> I would like to tell you, that the moments I lived in Vallarta with all of you were very special and I feel very good to be like that, cause all the moments were like magic in myself
22:22:23 [csmith] thedog> can’t wait for the next episodes; I can’t imagine ever forgetting the first one today.
22:22:27 [thedog] Cristina> Did you have a Best Moment this week?
22:23:14 [thedog] Cristina> For me also, it was a great pleasure to share with you.
22:24:37 [caroljean] during the video of Russell’s son’s group singing, I cried the whole first song. is there ever a time when tears are wasted force — I don’t mean if they are from frustration or negativity of other kinds —
22:25:09 [thedog] csmith> Perhaps if we have many moments like that…the last becomes the first.
22:26:11 [thedog] caroljean> I can’t imagine a wrong use of it, if it is right
22:26:15 [csmith] thedog> indeed
22:27:14 [csmith] who is where tonight? CJ at the Lawson’s?
22:27:54 [thedog] caroljean> Shortest sentence in the Bible…”Jesus wept.”… If it is good enough for him, it is good enough for me.
22:28:11 [Cristina] thedog> I back, I have a special moment with my family today with the Christmas tree, it, was good
22:28:32 [thedog] csmith> Dog at home
22:28:53 [thedog] csmith> Cristina is in Mexico City.
22:29:00 [csmith] Cristina> I had a special moment with my wife over a Christmas tree, too.
22:29:52 [caroljean] cs, yes I’m at the Lawson’s the typing is going too slow! however I just saw how to double and rejoice
22:30:03 [Cristina] csmith> good, I felt very good, very happy, it was good
22:30:06 [csmith] and I’m new Newport Beach
22:30:24 [thedog] caroljean> Two fingers?
22:30:49 [caroljean] yyeess
22:31:07 [thedog] caroljean> jajajajaja
22:31:31 [thedog] Any questions?
22:33:42 [caroljean] I remember your saying that no effort is wasted but ouspensky seems to imply that it takes intentional efforts to increase consciousness
22:33:46 [thedog] jorge> Hola! Share your best moment….
22:34:01 [Cristina] thedog> let me tell you, I had a magnetic center moment with James, when we were in the river in Puerto Vallarta, cause I felt all my body, I was very happy
22:34:04 [jorge] hola
22:34:18 [Cristina] jorge> Hola
22:34:52 [thedog] caroljean> No effort is wasted, because efforts develop centers…..
22:35:03 [caroljean] of course maybe we can’t make efforts that aren’t intentional
22:35:17 [Cristina] jorge> que digas tu mejor momento
22:37:10 [thedog] caroljean> Efforts from the Jacks are usually not done with intention but happen mechanically. So I guess, intentional efforts, exercise the Queens or higher, which are the cards needed for consciousness.
22:37:42 [thedog] jorge> que digas tu mejor momento
22:38:25 [Cristina] thedog> very good, you speak and write Spanish
22:39:03 [thedog] Cristina> No, I copied and pasted what you wrote
22:39:13 [jorge] HOLA A TODODOS MIS AMIGOS THE DOG SALUDOS A RUSSELL A MIGUEL Y A TODOS
22:39:26 [csmith] thedog> queens require drawn attention, no?
22:39:45 [thedog] csmith> Si.
22:40:20 [Cristina] jorge> escribe tu mejor momento de la semana, yo lo tradusco
22:40:24 [caroljean] hola jorge–te saludo desde Sanger.
22:41:11 [csmith] thedog> and the master exercises require the use of all parts of the kings, no?
22:41:31 [thedog] csmith> Si.
22:41:58 [jorge] LOS AMO A TODOS MIS HERMANOS DEL TRABAJO Y QUISIERA VER SI ESTA MIGUEL ANGUEL Y RUUSS.
22:44:58 [caroljean] Ie dirige el grupo de Austin, Texas. Alla tienen su casa. I’ll introduce myself I moderate the group in Austin. you’re welcome to visit
22:45:27 [jorge] QUE PASA? ESTAMOS ONO EN CONTACTO?
22:46:14 [caroljean] otra vez– permitenme presentarme. Soy la que dirige el grupo de Austin. Alla tienen su casa.
22:46:50 [jorge] estamos en contacto o no?
22:47:20 [caroljean] si jorge, puedo leer tus palabras. yes, jorge we can read what you write.
22:48:03 [thedog] jorge> I cannot…but I know it is good stuff.
22:48:45 [caroljean] Russ dijo aue miguel angel no estara en en chat esta noche. Russ said that Miguel will not be with us tonight
22:49:24 [jorge] MI MEJOR MOMENTO ES ESTE PORQUE SE QUE PUEDO DARME CUENTA DE LA INFLUENCIA .C
22:50:42 [jorge] ESTA RUSS AQUI?
22:51:29 [caroljean] permiteme traducir ya que no veo el nombre de cristina en el chat. jorge says that this is his best moment because he can feel or be aware of c influence. Si , Russ esta aqui
22:51:30 [thedog] caroljean> Can you translate for me what Jorge is saying…por favor.
22:52:03 [caroljean] yes I did, he seems not to know you are in the chat
22:52:15 [thedog] caroljean> You beat me to it. You are a genius.
22:52:39 [caroljean] jorge, si esta Russ
22:52:49 [thedog] jorge> Hola from Russ thedog.
22:53:06 [jorge] POR FAVOR NESCESITO ME TRADUSCAN AL ESPAÑOL
22:53:28 [caroljean] con mucho gusto
22:55:34 [jorge] RUSSELL NO SABES LO MARA VILLOSO Y BIEN QUE ESTES CONMIGO TE AGRADESCO CON MI CORAZON QUE PUEDAS COMUNICARTE CONMIGO
22:57:28 [caroljean] jorge says that you can’t imagine how wonderful it is that he can be with you and thanks you with all his heart that you can communicate with him
22:58:08 [thedog] jorge> yes, it was a great time and I look forward to the next time.
22:58:42 [jorge] RUSELL TE FELICITO POR TU BODA EN VALLARTA ,ES POSIBLE ME PUEDAS REGALAR UNA FOTOGRAFIA PARA CONOCERTE?
22:59:30 [caroljean] jorge traduci lo que dijiste para russ. parece que no me comunique bien
22:59:54 [thedog] Thank you all my friends for being here tonight. The time has come for us to end our chat… …Hope to see you all next week. Take some love from me and put it in your pocket. Love, and goodnight. THE DOG
23:00:17 [csmith] dear friends, I’m sending my love and best wishes to everyone. Good night!
23:00:46 [caroljean] Russ, jorge says that he congratulates you on your wedding. he wants you to send a picture so he can get to know you. Is it possible you didn’t meet him yet?
23:01:39 [thedog] caroljean> Yes, Tell him to send me his e-mail address through the FORUM and I will send him one.
23:02:10 [jorge] LO QUE DIJE ES SIMPLE SI ME PUEDE REGALAR UNA FOTO DE SU BODA O DE EL MISSMO PARA CONOCERLO ASI FISICAMENTE
23:03:25 [caroljean] jorge, russ dijo que agradece la presencia de todos sus amigos pero ya es tiempo de terminar el chat. que todos nosotros recibamos su amor para ponerlo dentro del bolsillo (para poder llevarlo siempre. )
23:03:31 [thedog] Dong…Dong…Time is up. See you next week.
23:04:34 [caroljean] jorge, eso si lo traduje bien.
23:05:40 [jorge] RUSSELL TE AGRADESCO POR TU ATENCION HACIA MI NPERSONA HASTA PRONTO .JORGE
23:06:32 [caroljean] jorge, el penso que hablabas de haberle conocido en Puerto Vallarta y no de que hablabas de estar contento de conmunicarte con el esta noche. Perdon…
23:07:42 [caroljean] traduccion: russell, I am grateful for talking with me– see you soon, Jorge.
23:09:38 [caroljean] Try again– russell I am grateful that you talked with me tonight–see you soon, jorge. This could get fun. I think I botched some unimportant things in translation but enjoyed trying
23:10:02 [jorge] TE RESPONDO SINCERAMENTE QUE SIEMPRE INTENTARE ESTAR CON EL Y ADEMAS CLARO QUE SI QUIES CONOCERLO EN VALLARTA ERA MI MAS GRANDE DESEO
23:10:35 [caroljean] run estas todavia, jorge?
23:11:17 [jorge] SI
23:11:27 [caroljean] jorge, me gustaria conccerte tambien. todos somos hermanos en el trabajo
23:13:21 [caroljean] ahora la traduccion de lo de arriba para russ. jorge says that he will always try to be with you and ofcourse wants to meet you in Puerto Vallarta. He wants to be sure that I got it right that he would like a picture
23:13:22 [jorge] NO SABES LO IMPORTANTE QUE ES PARA MI PODER RECIBIR LA GRACIA DIVINA DE USTEDES
23:15:26 [caroljean] la verdad es que vivo aqui en Sanger y solo puedo visit ar una vez al ano
23:15:36 [jorge] YA NO ESTAS , CONTESTAME POR FAVOR AHORITA
23:16:10 [caroljean] por eso si se lo imprtante qe es recibir esta gracia
23:17:11 [jorge] SE FUE RUSS?
23:18:02 [caroljean] aqui estoy. parece que salio russ. enque mas puedo servirte?
23:19:26 [caroljean] jorge todo salio un poco mal esta noche en cuanto al espanol e ingles. pero conpractica mejorara
23:19:28 [jorge] LE PUEDES DAR MI COMENTARIO ANTERIOR?
23:20:57 [caroljean] me despido ahora. mi e-mail de Austin es [email protected]
23:21:54 [caroljean] jorge: esta maquina no me ha servido bien, pero si le digo todo lo que has dicho
23:23:11 [jorge] POR FAVOR TE AGRADESCO QUE ME HALLAS ESCUCHADO Y NOS VEMOS LA PROXIMA SEMANA .JORGE
23:23:37 [caroljean] agradecemos todos tu presencia esta noche. Que te vaya siempre muy bien en tu trabajo
23:24:17 [jorge] LOS AMO A TODOS
23:24:18 [caroljean] buenas noches
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