11:59:24 [thedog] hola Vero

11:59:35 [Verónica] Hello, mi precioso… happy new year

12:00:05 james enters this room

12:00:06 marianne enters this room

12:00:42 [Verónica] Good morning… buenos días

12:01:16 alejandra enters this room

12:01:26 [james] Buenos Dias!

12:02:01 [alejandra] Hola a todos!!!

12:02:24 [marianne] Happy new year to everyone. Feliz Ano Nuevo para todos. Miguelangel asked me to translate. Miguelangel me pidio traducir.

12:02:30 [thedog] Best Moments fiom your conscious efforts

12:03:12 [marianne] thedog> los mejores momentos debido a esfuerzos conscientes

12:04:36 [marianne] this morning doing my memory work gave me a very strong sensation of presence. Hoy en la manana al hacer memorizacion me dio una sensacion de presencia muy fuerte

12:04:41 Chris enters this room

12:05:13 [Chris] Hi Every body Happy New Year! buenos días a todos Feliz Año

12:05:52 [james] In Puerto Vallarta, I learned a lot about myself and had time to look at various aspects of my life. In coming back, I began to apply them and was able to be different in many situations as a result.

12:06:05 [Verónica] El estar en un lugar diferente y tener la posibilidad de seguir eligiendo llevar a cabo la octava de aprender a comer saludablemente… me ha permitido ver con más claridad algunas inexactitudes en Verónica y empezar a trabajarlas…

12:06:37 [Chris] mi mejor momento han sido varios, sobre todos mis esfuerzos con la comida, creo que he descubierto que la máquina esta comprediendo al fin la idea de que no se requiere comer como solía comer

12:06:51 juanpablo enters this room

12:07:11 [juanpablo] buenos dias a todos

12:08:11 Claudia enters this room

12:08:11 [marianne] Verónica>

12:08:21 [juanpablo] mi mejor memento fue el poder comprender la importancia de la segunda linea de trabajo

12:08:49 [thedog] 2,007 … This is going to be a year of dramatic change for many. May you be one of the many.

12:09:06 [Verónica] Otro momento fue en esta semana, al pedir mi hermana ayuda en los quehaceres de la casa, y ver que Verónica se levantó sin ningún juicio y hacerlo… posteriormente hice la hora en calma… el estado de Presencia fue muy intenso

12:09:14 [Claudia] Buenos Días a todos, FELIZ AÑO 2007, que sea un año de mucha comprensión para todos.

12:09:41 [marianne] Verónica> BEING IN A DIFFERENT PLACE AND HAVING THE POSSIBILITY OF CONTINUEING TO CHOOSE TO GO THROUGH WITH MY OCTAVE TO LEARN TO EAT HEALTHY… HAS ALLOWED ME TO SEE MORE CLEARLY SOME INEXACTITUDES AND TO START TO WORK ON THEM

12:10:16 [thedog] Verónica> Fantastico

12:11:02 [marianne] Chris> MY BM WERE SEVERAL, ESPECIALLY MY EFFORTS WITH FOOD, I THINK I HAVE DISCOVERED THAT THE MACHINE FINALLY IS UNDERSTANDING THE IDEA THAT IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO EAT HOW IT USED TO EAT

12:11:08 [Claudia] Uno de mis MM fue poder parar mi consideración interna y seguir con armonía durante algunos días de muchos trabajo físico y poca salud

12:11:32 [thedog] Chris> Marveloso

12:12:15 [alejandra] juanpablo: GOOD DAY TO EVERYONE

12:12:33 [alejandra] juanpablo: MY BEST MOMENT WAS TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THE SECOND LINE OF WORK

12:13:00 [thedog] juanpablo>

12:13:00 [alejandra] Claudia: GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY, HAPPY NEW YEAR 2007, I HOPE THAT THIS YEAR HAS A LOT OF UNDERSTANDING FOR EVERYONE.

12:13:00 [Chris] Me tengo que retirar por motivos de trabajo, gracias a todos por este nuevo año

12:13:35 Chris exits from this room

12:13:40 [marianne] Verónica> ANOTHER MOMENT WAS THIS WEEK, WHEN MY SISTER ASKED FOR HELP WITH THE HOUSEHOLD CHORES AND VERO GOT UP WITHOUT ANY JUDGMENT TO DO IT….AFTERWARDS I PRACTICED LYING STILL FOR ONE HOUR…. THE STATE OF PRESENCE WAS VERY INTENSE

12:13:43 [alejandra] Claudia> ONE OF MY BEST MOMENTS WAS TO STOP MY INNER CONSIDERING AND TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE WITH HARMONY DURING MANY DAYS THAT I HAD A LOT OF PHYSICAL WORK EVEN THOUGH I WASN’T FEELING WELL.

12:14:16 [marianne] Chris> I HAVE TO LEAVE DUE TO MY JOB. THANKS TO ALL FOR THIS NEW YEAR

12:14:57 [marianne] thedog> SERA UN ANO DE CAMBIOS DRAMATICOS PARA MUCHOS. ojala QUE SEAS TU UNO DE LOS MUCHOS

12:15:28 [Verónica] En relación a los que dice Russ en 12.08.49… si quiero ser uno de esos…

12:16:37 [marianne] Verónica> REFERRING TO WHAT RUSSELL SAYS IN 12:08:49 I DO WOULD LIKE TO BE ONE OF THEM

12:18:56 [james] Mi mejor momento consciente fue durante la clase que hicimos en Pto. Vallarta. Fue un momento continuo para mi mismo y no tuve ningun concepto del tiempo porque toda mi atencion estaba en el momento presente.

12:20:24 [Verónica] Otro momento, fue a través de una plática que sostuve con Marianne… en donde una vaca fue sacrificada… a través del Harnel-Miaznel, estoy actualizando el H. 4 en Verónica… y Verónica creía que ya estaba en el 5… y entonces comprendí que la situación es aún más dramática de lo que creía…

12:23:19 [thedog] Reminding factor for the week: Everytime you stand upright with your head held above the other animals, who walk on four legs, see how you hold your head above the masses and then remember- yourselves.

12:23:38 [marianne] Verónica> ANOTHER BM WAS DURING A CONVERSATION WITH MARIANNA… WHEN A COW WAS SACRIFICED…THROUGH HARNELMIATZEL I AM ACTUALIZING MEN #4 IN VERONICA…AND VERONICA THOUGHT THAT SHE ALREADY WAS A #5…AND I UNDERSTOOD THAT THE SITUATION IS EVEN MORE DRAMATIC THAN WHAT I HAD THOUGHT.

12:25:57 [marianne] thedog> DESPERATDOR PARA LA SEMANA; CADA VEZ QUE ESTAS PARADO DERECHO CON TU CABAZA MANTENIDA ARRIBA DE LOS OTROS ANIMALES QUE CAMINAN CON 4 PATAS, VEA COMO MANTIENES TU CABEZA ENCIMA DE LAS MASAS Y ENTONCES ACUERDATE DE TI MISMO

12:28:37 pamela enters this room

12:28:51 [thedog] Any questions?

12:29:22 [Claudia] si

12:29:53 [marianne] thedog> ALGUNAS PREGUNTAS

12:32:09 [Claudia] ya tengo un nuevo trabajo es de casi 9 horas, ahora es más complicado asistir al grupo los martes, quiero saber si es suficiente estar en el chat?

12:32:54 [juanpablo] en cuanto a la energia de los centros ,si agoto la del centro motriz,me siento camsado ,si agoto la del c.intelectul no pienso correctamente ,el instintivo se enferma, ! que pasa cuando se agota la energia del centro emocional?

12:33:00 [alejandra] Claudia: I HAVE A NEW JOB AND IT IS ABOUT 9 HOURS A DAY, NOW IT IS MORE COMPLICATED TO GO TO THE GROUP ON TUESDAY, I WANT TO KNOW IF IT IS ENOUGH TO BE IN THE CHAT?

12:34:30 [Verónica] El hablar con un estudiante, y darme cuenta que no es posible comentarle abiertamente algun punto de vista… prefiero guardar silencio, poniendo atención en lo que sucede en Verónica, en aceptar los posibles juicios del otro… esto por un lado veo que es consideración externa, pero después…

12:34:41 [alejandra] juanpablo: ACCORDING TO THE ENERGY IN THE CENTERS, IF I EXHAUST THE ENERGY OF THE MOVING CETNER, I FEEL TIRED, AND IF I EXHAUST THE ENERGY IN THE INTELLECTUAL CENTER, I’M NOT THINKING OCRRECTLY, AND WITH THE INSTINCTIVE CENTER YOU GET SICK…

12:35:00 [alejandra] juanpablo: WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU EXHAUST THE ENERGY OF THE EMOTIONAL CENTER?

12:35:36 [marianne] What is the first outer cycle of the fundamental sacred H.? Is there a second one? Que es el primer ciclo de la ley fundamental sagrada de H? existe un segundo ciclo?

12:36:16 [Verónica] me percato (estando a solas) que me esto con este estudiante me genera consideración interna… lo he estado trabajando con algunos ejercicios que me han ayudado a saldar esas cuentas pero de cierta forma me entristece el no poder tener una comunicación real… qué me sugieren para trabajarlo?

12:37:19 [Claudia] te refieres a la ley de 7

12:37:40 [thedog] Claudia> Yes, fortunately you can work on yourself and try to be conscious on any hour of any day, even while you eat, or work, or rest, or use the bathroom.

12:37:44 [marianne] Verónica> WHEN TAKING TO A STUDENT AND REALIZING THAT I CANNOT COMMENT OPENLY SOME POINT OF VIEW… I PREFER TO REMAIN SILENT, PUTTING ATTENTION ON WHAT IS GOING ON IN VERONICA, ACCEPTING THE JUDGMENTS OF THE OTHER PERSON… i SEE THAT ON ONE HAND THIS IS EXTERNAL CONSIDERING BUT THEN….

12:39:57 [marianne] Verónica> I PERCEIVE (WHEN I AM ALONE) THAT BEING WITH THIS STUDENT CAUSES INNER CONSIDERING…I HAVE WORKED ON IT WITH SEVERAL EXERCISES THAT HAVE HELPED ME TO CLEAN THE BLACKBOARD HOWEVER IN A WAY IT MAKES ME FEEL SAD THAT I CANNOT HAVE A REAL COMMUNICATION…WHAT IS YOUR SUGGESTION HOW TO WORK I

12:40:05 [thedog] juanpablo> You lose desire to act. Joys arn’t joyous and sadnesses arn’t sad. Everything becomes quite bland and has no meaning.

12:41:30 [marianne] thedog> A CLAUDIA: SI, AFORTUNADAMENTE PUEDES TRABAJAR EN TI AND TRATAR DE ESTAR CONSCIENTE A CUALQUIER HORA DEL DIA, INCLUSO CUANDO COMES, O TRABAJAS O DESCANSAS O VAS AL BANO

12:43:52 [marianne] thedog> A JUAN PABLO: PIERDES EL DESEO DE ACTUAR. LAS ALEGRIA NO SON ALEGRES, LAS TRISTEZAS NO SON TRISTES. TODO SE VUELVE BASTANTE INSIPIDO Y CARECE DE SENTIDO

12:43:54 [thedog] Verónica> The only real communications are the ones you are having with yourself. There will come a time that you WILL be able to communicate with others. For now, keep talking to and with yourself.

12:44:21 [juanpablo] el usar un centro de manera mas dura ,por ejemplo( el motriz) esto tiene que ver conque los demas centros se vacien? y entonses como calcular el usar un centro correctamente sin extralimitarme?

12:45:14 [juanpablo] el centro deja de vaciarse y se mantiene bien si todas las actividades se icieran concientemente?

12:46:40 [marianne] thedog> TO VERONICA. LAS UNICAS COMUNICACIONES REALES SON LAS QUE TIENES CONTIGO MISMA. VENDRA UN TIEMPO CUANDO SERAS CAPAZ DE COMUNICARTE CON OTROS. DE MOMENTO SIGUE HABLANDOTE A TI MISMO Y CONTIGO MISMO

12:48:11 [thedog] marianne> I know of no second one. Consider that it is constant and that as it moved out from the HSA, external conditions were changed and established, creating the matrix into which all other emminations fell.

12:48:45 [alejandra] juanpablo: THE USE OF A CENTER WITH MORE EFFORTS, FOR EXAMPLE THE MOVING CENTER, THIS IS RELATED TO THE OTHER CENTERS GETTING EMPTY? AND THEN HOW CAN WE CALCULATE THE CORRECT USE OF A CENTER WITHOUT PUSHING IT TOO FAR?

12:50:13 [Claudia] Me dijeron que era exasperantemente sumisa, lo cual me tuvo muy atenta a lo que hacía y cómo me dirigía con mi familia, y tomé la opción de seguirlo haciendo conscientemente y ya no mecanicamente

12:50:23 [alejandra] juanpablo: THE CENTER GETS EMPTY AND YOU CAN KEEP DOING ALL OF YOUR ACTIVITES WELL IF YOU STAY CONSCIOUS?

12:51:41 [marianne] thedog> A MARIANNE, NO CONOZCO UN SEGUNDO CICLO. CONSIDERA QUE ES CONSTANTE Y EN LA MEDIDA QUE SE SALE DE SAGRADE SOL ABSOLUTO, SE CAMBIARON Y SE ESTABLECIERON LAS CONDICIONES EXTERNAS, CREANDO LA MATRIZ HACIA CUAL TODAS LAS DEMAS EMANACIONES SE CAEN.

12:53:07 [alejandra] Claudia: THEY TOLD ME THAT I AM EXTREMELY SUBMISSIVE, THAT GIVES ME MORE ATTENTION ON THAT AND HOW I HAVE BEEN WITH MY FAMILY AND I CHOOSE TO DO THAT CONSCIOUSLY AND NOT MECHANICALLY.

12:54:01 [thedog] juanpablo> Nature has designed us so it is hard to push us to far. Yet we have to prepare muscles for working. If you throw a rock as har as you can without warming up the arm muscles by throwing many rocks more easy, they you will strain a muscle and it will hurt for a long time.

12:55:01 [thedog] juanpablo> If a man hasn’t taken some drug that overrides the communication of his body to hos awareness, he will know when to cease activity and rest.

12:57:42 [thedog] It is great to be back with everyone as the new year begins. Thank you for being here and hope to see you next week. Keep holding that head up

12:58:25 [juanpablo] thanks ruus

12:59:11 [Verónica] Thanks for all… I’ll see you next week… nice week

12:59:31 pamela exits from this room

12:59:38 [marianne] thedog> A JUAN PABLO. LA NATURALEZA NOS DISENO DE TAL MANERA QUE ES DIFICIL DE EMPUJARNOS TAN LEJOS. SIN EMBARGO TENEMOS QUE PREPARAR MUSCULOS PARA TRABAJAR. SI TIRAR UNA PIEDRA PESADA TAN DURO COMO PUEDES SIN ANTES CALENTAR LOS MUSCULOS DEL BRAZO, TIRANDO MUCHAS PIEDRAS MAS LIGERAS, ENTONCES TE…

12:59:41 thedog exits from this room

12:59:51 juanpablo exits from this room

13:00:05 [james] Buenas Tardes a todos!

13:00:46 [Claudia] Gracias a todos, FELICIDADES!!!

13:01:03 [Verónica] Buenas tardes… a todos… gracias por esta hora… gracias por su apoyo en la traducción…

13:02:12 [marianne] thedog> A JUAN PABLO ….VAS A TORCER UN MUSCULO Y TE VA A DOLER POR MUCHO TIEMPO. MIENTRAS UN HOMBRE NO HA TOMADO DROGAS QUE CAMBIAN LA COMUNICACION ENTRE SU CUERPO Y SU CONSCIENCIA, ENTONCES SABRA CUANDO DEJAR UNA ACTIVIDAD PARA DESCANSAR.

13:02:35 [alejandra] Hasta Luego Queridos Amigos!!!

13:03:35 [marianne] THE DOG A TODOS: AS MARAVILLOS ESTAR DE REGRESO CON TODOS USTEDES AL COMENZAR EL ANO NUEVO. GRACIAS POR ESTAR AQUI Y ESPERO VERLOS LA PROXIMA SEMANA. CONTINUAN EN MANTENER LA CABAZO ARRIBA.

13:04:04 [marianne] un abrazo a todos.

13:04:09 marianne exits from this room

13:04:20 alejandra exits from this room

13:04:52 Verónica exits from this room

15:59:29 richard enters this room

15:59:59 jperrott enters this room

16:00:00 [richard] hi everyone

16:00:48 [richard] Hi John, and Sue, thanks for an intense weekend

16:01:00 [jperrott] BM Steven Ward’s memory work – impressive, dilligent.

16:01:43 [richard] indeed

16:01:46 Alison enters this room

16:01:47 [jperrott] BM Richard Dunne’s memory work – inpressive, dilligent.

16:02:13 [jperrott] Oops!

16:03:32 mike enters this room

16:03:58 [jperrott] richard> That’s definitely the last post midnight class-continuation!

16:04:19 [Alison] Please Manchester group do not stay up so late – it was dangerous for John to drive home today so tired

16:04:56 [richard] How can I preserve intact the sheep and the wolf confided to my care?

16:05:08 [jperrott] ) Good guard-dog!

16:06:44 [jperrott] richard> Transform the wolf into ‘deputy dawg’!

16:07:15 [richard] Thank you

16:07:17 [mike] evening all

16:07:24 [Alison] BM Finishing my business work octave today – a day early so that tomorrow I can not be rushed before our departure

16:07:34 [jperrott] richard> You’re welcome!

16:08:08 [jperrott] Hi Mike.

16:08:20 [Alison] BM Learning the first part of the Hymn to Our Endlessness – it appears to flow esaily

16:08:53 [jperrott] You may as well present your BMs in case Russ turns up.

16:08:58 [mike] jperrott> john, did reason appear in man at the same time as word language

16:09:01 [richard] An ashokh, someone who memorises and narrates epic poems, now that is memory work.

16:09:57 [mike] jperrott> talking about word-reasoning

16:10:01 [Alison] BM Coming through emotionally unscathed after both my mother and sister were very unwell this past week.

16:10:40 [jperrott] richard> Indeed! May you qualify accordingly. After all, the Fourth Way is traditionally a verbal tradition.

16:11:59 [jperrott] mike> I doubt it but it was reason that provided the richness of vocabularies.

16:12:59 [Alison] BM Doing a 3 fold attention exercise and holding the last part for what seemed like a long time – it was all-embracing

16:13:27 [richard] ‘ansapalnialny flowing echo, page 33 ‘meetings’ a ink with All and Everything

16:13:44 [jperrott] mike> It is reason that does its best to preserve and encourage an effective use of language – without which dullards wreck its usefullness.

16:13:46 [richard] link

16:14:18 [mike] jperrott> ok, so the reason you’re talking about was prior to word-language as we know it –

16:15:08 [mike] jperrott> long time since i’ve heard that word – dullards

16:15:44 [richard] Ashoks apparently sang as well as recited and in a special way. ( real musical science)

16:16:24 [Alison] BM Having a conversation with JEP regarding the 3 story diagram and the significance of where the gap in the storeys is

16:16:33 [jperrott] mike> I didn’t intednt to sugggest that; I imagine they arose concurrently, but the reasonable contributed the subtle discrimating content and the non-reasoning the everyday practical stuff.

16:17:10 [mike] jperrott> they did arise concurrently

16:17:50 [richard] The film Meetings at least did its best to portray traditional ashoks to the audiences

16:18:05 [jperrott] mike> I wasn’t there – but that’s how it’s presented to me.

16:19:18 [richard] Gilgamesh was probably sung

16:19:19 [mike] jperrott> do you mean my response to yours and yours to mine arose concurrently, or reason and language?

16:20:00 [jperrott] The latter.

16:20:01 [richard] This was before D.V.Ds.

16:20:49 [richard] Micro chip Kali Yuga

16:21:03 [jperrott] richard> You may well be right Richard – since the lyrics and melodies were, as today, mutually supportive.

16:23:40 [richard] Verbal transmission was originally by sages or ashoks who must have had incredible memories and perhaps the vedas were recited

16:24:03 [Alison] I’m off – goodnight all

16:24:12 Alison exits from this room

16:26:13 [richard] What a great family bonding for a father to train his son in epic memory work

16:26:57 [jperrott] richard> Indeed sir!

16:27:14 [richard] Or far a granfather to train his grandson

16:27:31 [jperrott] richard>

16:27:40 [mike] going, hope your trip goes well john, goodnight

16:28:16 mike exits from this room

16:28:59 [jperrott] mike> Thanks Mike. In the meantime, take the medicine. You might find that it’s ‘good for you’!

16:29:23 [richard] I wonder whether I have a grandfather within who can adminster traditional wisdom?

16:29:54 [jperrott] richard> Given there’s just the two of us and we’ve spent a lot of time together, Is it O.K. if I go to bed?

16:30:23 [richard] Sure, have a good journey

16:30:42 [jperrott] richard> I’m sure that you do. Try Third Response and Highr feedback.

16:30:53 [richard] I will read Meetings tonite

16:30:58 [jperrott] richard> Fare thee well Richard.

16:31:18 [richard] Exactly.

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16:31:30 [richard] Love