Mexico/USA

18:58:19 [james] Smitty is going to be a little late so please give your best moments of the week. Gracias.

18:59:53 [azavala] HELLO FRIENDS.- !!!

19:00:39 [azavala] james> RUSS VA A LLEGAR UN POCO DESPUÉS ASÍ QUE POR FAVOR DAR SUS MEJORES MOMENTOS DE LA SEMANA.- GRACIAS.

19:01:38 [james] Hola, Alfonso!!! Como Estas?

19:02:35 [azavala] james> HELLO JAMES, EVERYTHING IS OK!!! IT´S GREAT TO BE HERE, GREETINGS.!!!

19:03:45 [james] Buenas Tardes, Miguel!

19:04:30 [MigueAngel] Ok I have been having a really great magnetic center week!!! Observing the different levels of understanding of people on the face of dead. Remarkable!

19:06:09 [james] My best moment this week was yesterday, understanding the patterns of those around me and seeing that if I have any amount of identification in the moment, I cannot manifest for them until I become free of James.

19:06:13 [MigueAngel] Something that helped me in having this possibility of being attentive was the idea: Assume benign intention… and so… I was able to make my machine passive an being just a witness of everything!!! Just Lovely.!!!

19:06:52 [MigueAngel] james> That was beatiful… thank you!

19:06:54 [azavala] MigueAngel> MUY BIEN, HE ESTADO TENIENDO REALMENTE UNA SEMANA DE GRAN CENTRO MAGNÉTICO!!! OBSERVANDO LOS DIFERENTES NIVELES DE COMPRENSIÓN DE LA GENTE AL ENCARARSE A LA MUERTE. NOTABLE!

19:08:35 [alejandra] Mi mejor momento fue practicar el ejercicio de no decir *YO* con Detha y Alison. Fue un gran momento de centro magnetico!!

19:08:48 [azavala] james> MI MEJOR MOMENTO DE ESTA SEMANA FUE AYER, COMPRENDIENDO LOS MOLDES DE LAS PERSONAS ALREDEDOR DE MI Y VIENDO QUE SI TENGO CUALQUIER CANTIDAD DE IDENTIFICACIÓN EN ESE MOMENTO, NO PUEDO MANIFESTAR CON ELLAS HASTA QUE ME LIBERO DE JAMES.

19:10:54 [jorge] Hola buenas tardes atodos.

19:11:27 [azavala] MigueAngel> ALGO QUE ME AYUDÓ A TENER ESTA POSIBILIDAD DE ESTAR ATENTO FUE LA IDEA: ASUME UNA INTENCIÓN BENIGNA…Y DE ESTA MANERA…FUI CAPAZ DE HACER A MI MÁQUINA PASIVA PARA SER SÓLO UN TESTIGO DE TODO!!! ADORABLE!!!

19:11:44 [alejandra] Otro de mis mejores momentos es haber comprendido el dia de hoy que una de las maneras de Considerar Externamente a alguien es solamente darle a lo que ellos estan preguntando!!!

19:11:46 [azavala] MigueAngel> james.- ESO FUE HERMOSO…GRACIAS!

19:11:55 [MigueAngel] jorge> Hola estamos compartiendo nuestros mejores momentos mientras llega Russell

19:13:14 [jorge] Mi mejor momentode la semana es que gracias a los esfuerzos masivos la relaciòn con mi pareja va mejorando , asumiendo intenciòn benigna , consideraciòn externa , etc..

19:13:17 [alejandra] MigueAngel> Your best moment reminded me of the aphorism 58: Everyone does what they can do when they can do it.

19:14:12 [MigueAngel] Jorge: My best moment of the week es that thanks to the massive efforts the relationship with my wife is improving, assuming benign intention, external considering, etc.

19:14:24 [azavala] alejandra> MigueAngel.- TU MEJOR MOMENTO ME RECUERDA EL AFORISMO 58: TODOS HACEN LO QUE PUEDEN CUANDO PUEDEN.

19:14:29 [alejandra] MigueAngel> Disculpe, el commentario anterior es mi (James).

19:14:55 [MigueAngel] alejandra> yes my dear, and indeed now I am understanding another meaning for that…. it is true!!!

19:15:19 [MigueAngel] james> uppsss then my answer is for you!

19:15:47 [azavala] MigueAngel> alejandra.- SÍ QUERIDA, E INDUDABLEMENTE AHORA ESTOY ENTENDIENDO OTRO SIGNIFICADO PARA ESO…ES CIERTO!!!

19:16:07 [azavala] MigueAngel> james.- LO SIENTO, ENTONCES MI RESPUESTA ES PARA TI!.

19:16:22 [MigueAngel] jorge> ¡Siempre de lo mejor!…. la vida horizontal es una y la vertical es otra…. nunca me he caído en identificación con la horizontal, me refiero a esta semana.

19:17:45 [james] jorge> Es maravilloso, Jorge!

19:17:47 [MigueAngel] So…. as Russell is not showing up…. I have a pondering that would like to share with you…

19:18:20 [james] Go ahead…

19:18:35 [MigueAngel] we have understood from dogtale 65… A man that doesn’t have a question… probably doesn´t have a quest…. right?…

19:18:54 [thedog] hello my friends, sorry to be late

19:18:58 [MigueAngel] well…. if this would be so…. what would be to live a live withou a why?

19:19:05 [azavala] MigueAngel> ASÍ QUE ….COMO RUSSELL NO LLEGA….TENGO UNA CONSIDERACIÓN QUE ME GUSTARÍA COMPARTIR CON UDS.

19:19:14 [azavala] james> ADELANTE…

19:19:28 [jorge] Hola Russell.

19:19:35 [MigueAngel] A life..without a Why?

19:19:55 [thedog]>[MigueAngel] bravo. You are my hero

19:19:58 [MigueAngel] thedog> Hello dear sir… welcome.

19:20:23 [azavala] MigueAngel> HEMOS ENTENDIDO DEL DOGTALE 65…UN HOMBRE QUE NO TIENE UNA PREGUNTA…PROBABLEMENTE NO TIENE UNA BÚSQUEDA….¿CORRECTO?.

19:20:32 [thedog] Best Moments of intentional efforts

19:20:50 [azavala] thedog> HOLA AMIGOS, SIENTO LLEGAR TARDE.

19:21:39 [azavala] MigueAngel> BUENO…SI ESTO ES ASÍ…¿QUÉ SERÍA VIVIR UNA VIDA SIN UN POR QUÉ?

19:22:07 [azavala] thedog> SUS MEJORES MOMENTOS DE ESFUERZOS INTENCIONALES.

19:22:26 [MigueAngel] My week has been full of intentional efforts… and thanks to the new presence of my friend Eric… I have been able to duplicate mine… so… just to mention one…. the great effort to let people BE…. and to assume at every single wu wu participation of other rites and religions and sorceries.

19:22:55 [MigueAngel] for healing the dead…. was beautiful!!! My machine respect my order to just be present and quiet!!!! Fantastic

19:23:19 [james] To live life without a why? would be a confortable life… for you have no doubts as you would already have all of your answers. It was how our lives would be if we didn’t work on ourselves. We would slowly stop asking questions and just live and reinforce what we already know.

19:23:33 [MigueAngel] to assume benign intention.

19:24:26 [jorge] Hoy la màquina de jorge estaba muy cansada y dispuesta a acostarse a dormir , pero algo en Jorge se da cuenta de que la casa necesitaba ordenarse, Ya a punto de acostarse fue alavar los trastos y a escombrar la casa.

19:24:54 [thedog] MigueAngel>

19:25:06 [jorge] Y luego vino al chat.

19:25:45 [MigueAngel] Jorge: today my machine was tired and ready for sleep, but something in it realizes that the house was in need to be cleaned, and about to go to bed, I took it to wash the dishes and clean the house. and now the chat.

19:26:05 [alejandra] My best moment of intentional efforts have been doing my memory with Marion, Deborah’s mother. She has Alzheimer’s but is able to help me with my memory work very well because she doesn’t get bored with all of the repeating!

19:26:12 [thedog] jorge> Bravo jorge

19:26:27 [azavala] MigueAngel> MI SEMANA HAS BEEN FULL OF INTENTIONAL EFFORTS…Y GRACIAS A LA NUEVA PRESENCIA DE MI AMIGO ERIC…HE SIDO CAPAZ DE DUPLICAR LA MIA…DE MANERA QUE….SÓLO POR MENCIONAR UNO…EL GRAN ESFUERZO DE DEJAR QUE LA GENTE SEA….Y ASUMIR EN CADA PARTICIPÁCIÓN DE LOS RITOS, RELIGIONES Y BRUJERÍ

19:26:34 [azavala] AS DE LOS OTROS.

19:27:09 [MigueAngel] alejandra> That was a good one!!!

19:27:25 [azavala] PARA ALIVIAR LA MUERTE…FUE HERMOSO!!!! MI MÁQUINA RESPETÓ MI ORDEN DE SÓLO ESTAR PRESENTE Y EN SILENCIO!!! FANTÁSTICO!!!

19:28:12 [james] My best intentional moments have been with the three daily readings of The Greatest Salesman in the World, scroll I. Along with my current and previous efforts, it has changed how I am with my clients and I am adding to my business!!!

19:29:13 [MigueAngel] I would like to repeat my question…. we know that a man without a question probably doesn’t have a quest…. but I am pondering after this intense week the beauty of not having a why… but just pure presence…. not allowing the formatory mind to ask… but just the presence to witness..WHAT IS!

19:29:26 [azavala] james> VIVIR UNA VIDA SIN UN POR QUÉ? SERÍA UNA VIDA CONFORTABLE…SI NO TIENES DUDAS, YA TIENES TUS RESPUESTAS. SERÍA COMO VIVIR NUESTRAS VIDAS SI NO TRABAJARAMOS CON NOSOTROS MISMOS. NOSOTROS LENTAMENTE NOS DETENDRIAMOS DE HACER PREGUNTAS Y SÓLO VIVIRIAMOS Y REFORZARÍAMOS LO QUE YA SABEMOS.

19:30:31 [thedog] MigueAngel> arriving comes later but to get there we need a puppose. No third force no purpose

19:31:23 [azavala] alejandra> MI MEJOR MOMENTO DE ESFUERZO INTENCIONAL HA SIDO HACER MI TRABAJO DE MEMORIZACIÓN CON MARION, LA MAMÁ DE DEBORAH. ELLA TIENE ALZHEIMER´S PERO ES CAPAZ DE AYUDARME CON MI TRABAJO DE MEMORIZACIÓN A CAUSA DE QUE NO SE ABURRE CON TODA LA REPETICIÓN.

19:31:45 [MigueAngel] thedog> So…. for how long should we keep the whys in order to be able to arrive to THE ISNESS of everything… but without the need for life to shock us the way up?

19:33:56 [azavala] james> MI MEJOR MOMENTO INTENCIONAL HA SIDO CON LAS TRES LECTURAS DIARIAS DEL VENDEDOR MÁS GRANDE DEL MUNDO, PERGAMINO 1. SÓLO CON MIS ESFUERZOS CORRIENTES Y PREVIOS, HA CAMBIADO ESTOY CON MIS CLIENTES Y ESTOY SUMÁNDOLE A MIS NEGOCIOS.

19:35:33 [thedog] MigueAngel> next comes obligation which is a very big force

19:35:48 [azavala] MigueAngel> QUISIERA REPETIR MI PREGUNTA…SABEMOS QUE UN HOMBRE SIN UNA PREGUNTA PROBABLEMENTE NO TIENE UNA BÚSQUEDA….PERO ESTOY EVALUANDO DESPUÉS DE ESTA SEMANA INTENSA DE BELLEZA DE NO TENER UN POR QUÉ…SINO SÓLO PURA PRESENCIA….NO PERMITIENDOLE A LA MENTE FORMATORIA PREGUNTAR POR QUÉ…

19:36:10 [azavala] SINO SÓLO LA PRESENCIA DEL TESTIGO…¿QUÉ ES?

19:37:23 [azavala] thedog> MigueAngel.- LA LLEGADA VIENE DESPUÉS, PERO PARA LLEGAR A AHÍ NECESITAMOS UN PROPÓSITO. SIN TERCER FUERZA NO HAY PROPÓSITO.

19:37:30 [MigueAngel] ATESTIGUANDO LO QUE ES… COMO ES… NO COMO PREGUNTA.

19:39:52 [azavala] MigueAngel> thedog.- POR LO TANTO…¿POR CUANTO TIEMPO DEBEMOS MANTENER ESOS POR QUÉS A FIN DE SER CAPACES DE LLEGAR A YO SOY DE TODAS LAS COSAS….PERO SIN LA NECESIDAD DE QUE LA VIDA NOS DÉ SHOCKS PARA EL CAMINO HACIA ARRIBA.

19:40:15 [james] MigueAngel> Our life is about the whys, when we get an answer, it gives us more whys to ask. If we become content with our answers to the whys, we will stop going further in our life and our work… With this new pure presence, have you asked… Why you have it? What is it for?

19:40:24 [azavala] thedog> MigueAngel.- ENSEGUIDA VIENE LA OBLIGACIÓN LA CUAL ES UNA GRAN FUERZA.

19:41:29 [MigueAngel] What I am founding and experiencing is that when I AM PRESENT…. I a

19:43:04 [MigueAngel] I Am … as I Am…. and then everything IS at it IS…. and then everything is OK… there IS nothing more and nothing less there but just WHAT IS…. and that IS… the ISNESS of the situationa and therefore no more whys are needed; another why would diminish the state of What IS.!!!!!

19:43:49 [azavala] james> MigueAngel.- NUESTRA VIDA ES ACERCA DE LOS POR QUE´S, CUANDO TENEMOS UNA RESPUESTA, NOS DA MÁS PREGUNTAS POR HACER. SI NOS SATISFACEMOS CON NUESTRAS RESPUESTAS A LOS POR QUE´S, PARAREMOS DE CONTINUAR MÁS ADELANTE EN NUESTRA VIDA Y EN NUESTRO TRABAJO…CON ESTA NUEVA PRESENCIA PURA,

19:44:14 [azavala] TE HAS PREGUNTADO ¿POR QUÉ LA TIENES?, ¿PARA QUE SIRVE?

19:45:01 [thedog] MigueAngel> Beautiful

19:46:05 [jorge] He trabajado con el ejercicio de morir objetivo y en la experiencia que he tenido si me es posible no sentir por algùnos momentos al cuerpo . La intenciòn de hacer este ademas de trabajar con los Ases de trboles , Diamantes y corazones.No comprendo muybièn la significaciòn de este.

19:46:13 [MigueAngel] james> When I AM the PRESENCE… I Am GOD… and HIS BEING and my Being are One…. no whys needed… just Oneness.

19:46:50 [azavala] MigueAngel> LO QUE ESTOY ENCONTRANDO Y EXPERIMENTANDO ES QUE CUANTO “YO ESTOY PRESENTE” YO SOY….COMO YO SOY….Y ENTONCES TODO ES COMO ES….Y ENTONCES TODO ESTÁ BIEN…NO HAY NADA MÁS Y NADA MENOS SINO LO QUE ES….Y ESO ES….ES EL SER DE LA SITUACIÓN Y POR LO TANTO NO SE REQUIEREN MÁS POR

19:47:23 [azavala] QUE´S; OTRO POR QUÉ DISMINUIRÍA EL ESTADO DE LO QUE ES!!!!

19:47:36 [azavala] thedog> MigueAngel.- HERMOSO.

19:47:41 [MigueAngel] Jorge: I have been working with the exercise objetive dying and the experience is that it is possible to not sense for a few moments. the intention is to work with the Aces but I don’t understand well the meaning of this.

19:48:30 [azavala] MigueAngel> james.- CUANDO YO SOY LA PRESENCIA…YO SOY DIOS….Y SU SER Y MI SER SON UNO….NO SE REQUIEREN POR QUE´S….SÓLO LA UNIDAD.

19:49:45 [MigueAngel] If I am arriving to the possible reality that the human biological machine doesn’t have a real being until the Being of God IS in it and then it becomes a Human Begin…. then God becomes REALIZED! in him… so what is the point on asking why?… what for?… wouldn’t it BE just necessary TO BE?…

19:50:30 [MigueAngel] Human being

19:52:46 [jorge] Si he entendido que se refiere a la preparaciòn para la muerte objetiva, pero no comprendo a que se refire esta idea.

19:52:55 [MigueAngel] So….?

19:53:44 [MigueAngel] Jorge: I have understood that objective dying refers to the preparation for objective real dying.. but I don’t understand really this idea.

19:54:06 [azavala] MigueAngel> SI ESTOY LLEGANDO A LA POSIBLE REALIDAD DE QUE LA MÁQUINA BIOLÓGICA HUMANA NO TIENE UN SER REAL HASTA QUE EL SER DE DIOS “ESTÁ” EN ÉL Y ENTONCES SE CONVIERTE EN UN SER HUMANO…ENTONCES DIOS SE CONVIERTE EN ÉL…ASÍ QUE CUÁL ES LA IMPORTANCIA DE PREGUNTAR POR QUÉ—-PARA QUÉ—

19:54:27 [azavala] ¿SERÁ SOLAMENTE NECESARIO SER HUMANO?.

19:54:32 [thedog] jorge> Some day we may exist without a body, it shows us a tast of that

19:55:55 [azavala] thedog> jorge.- ALGÚN DÍA PODREMOS EXISTIR SIN UN CUERPO, ESTO NOS DARÁ UNA PROBADA DE ELLA.

19:58:32 [james]>[thedog] Do you want me to try to answer Miguel’s question?

19:59:05 [MigueAngel] Well friends… I belive the pondering would be in the air for a while…. the time is almost over and I have a client waiting for me.

19:59:42 [thedog] Thanks for being here all my love

19:59:55 [MigueAngel] thedog> Could we expand on this tomorrow at 3 pm or ?

20:00:16 [alejandra] Buenos Noches a Todos!!!

20:00:19 [thedog] Sure

20:00:22 [azavala] MigueAngel> BIEN AMIGOS…CREO QUE ESTA CONSIDERACIÓN ESTARÁ EN EL AIRE DURANTE UN TIEMPO…EL TIEMPO CASI SE TERMINA Y TENGO A UN CLIENTE ESPERÁNDOME.

20:00:29 [jorge] O.k. No he vivido lo que Miguel Angel ha vivido ni tampoco tengo su comprensiòn , pero tambièn estoy de acuerdo con lo que dice , y creo que para llegar hasta donde èl llego creo que debo de trabajar con màs comprenciòn.

20:01:23 [MigueAngel] Good night all …. LOVE YOU!!! AND THANK YOU ALL.

20:01:30 [jorge] Gracias a todos hasta pronto.

20:01:38 [james] MigueAngel> Keep pushing to the new place!!!! Presense Momentum!!!

20:02:10 [james] jorge> I will try to help you with an answer.

England/USA

15:58:23 [alison] Just warming the seat while JEP makes a cuppa

15:58:24 [thedog] Please share your Massive Attempts

15:59:56 [alison] My massive intent is to see everything objectively – my massive attempt will be to fulfill the intent – not doing badly at present

16:00:30 [thedog]>[alison]

16:02:08 [stevew] thedog> Truly recognised, this week, how it is that frequent efforts at small things are what we must seek. Have been applying that to staying awake in ordinary activities. The more I wake, the more I see how I stay awake.

16:02:38 [gary] good evening

16:02:47 [jperrott]

16:02:52 [thedog] stevew>

16:05:33 [jperrott] stevew> The more I wake, the more I see how I stay awake. Do you mean “how” – or “that”?

16:06:33 [stevew] jperrott> I do mean “how” … i.e. I see the things that I don’t do … but also, of course, “that”.

16:06:46 [thedog] gary> Please share your Massive Attempts

16:07:21 [jperrott] stevew> Gotcha – thanks for the clarification.

16:08:25 [gary] No massive attempts – but I have seen that following a programme can help over come inertia of the mind

16:09:07 [thedog] gary> Good.

16:09:31 [thedog] Any questions?

16:10:34 [gary] thedog> what can be done with anger at self ?

16:10:59 [jperrott] thedog> What is the real cause of people claiming to want the practice of the work – and then not doing it?

16:12:48 [stevew] thedog> When G and O said that the sex centre functions properly only when the four lower centres are working properly, did they mean that man can blend the active and passive principles in himself only then? Is this a reference to sex in the Tantric sense?

16:13:35 [thedog] gary> Anger can become a great force, if we turn it into action. At the same time, understanding that a man cannot do, we are able to diminish blame and therefore anger.

16:13:41 [jperrott] gary> Side-step the anger but look at what it was angry with.

16:15:17 [scrivs] Evening all.

16:15:53 [jperrott] scrivs> Hi y’all!

16:15:58 [thedog] jperrott> It is a law. Many are called but few are chose. I guess tha’s why they call it self initation. Parable of the Sower also applies.

16:16:18 [gary] jperrott> the anger is because i say to myself i’ll do something, i.e. stop smoking and then several hours later i start smoking.

16:18:58 [jperrott] gary> There – you’ve already taken a step – by side-stepping the anger. The next is to choose – in the full knowledge that you’re going to need all the help you can muster – including with your wits.

16:20:04 [stevew] jperrott> Even Jesus found that people sought his teachings but did not apply them … Matthew 7:24-28.

16:21:14 [jperrott] gary> The anger is due to seeing ones failur as self-diminishing – which it is objectively! Therefore, simply accept the hard work that has to be done – and forget the anger (it’s inner considering – with yourself as both the considerer and the considered).

16:21:56 [jperrott] stevew> That was pretty slick!

16:22:28 [scrivs] Easter. Is the Crucifixion an extreme picture of ‘taking the 8 position’? Any being about to ascend to the next octave would not be prey to lowers.

16:24:03 [stevew] gary> You could apply the exercise “Make one thing your God” to the attempts to stop smoking …

16:24:54 [thedog] sperrott> Please share your Massive Attempts

16:24:59 [stevew] gary> If you do then do it fully … really write your aim on a piece of paper and keep taking it out to read it.

16:25:30 [gary] stevew> thanks Steve

16:25:33 [sperrott] I am attempting to overcome madness

16:27:17 [thedog] Lord knows we’ve made massive attempts to get that way, now we just reverse the prosess ans make massive attempts to become sane.

16:28:20 [stevew] scrivs> What do you mean … “would not be prey to lowers”?

16:28:33 [thedog] sperrott> Have you read the assigned readings?

16:30:30 [sperrott] We do not work because we dont know how to choose-we do not know how to choose because we are in prison, we are in prison because we dont know there is freedom, we dont know there is freedom because we dont know how to work. We only know how to happen. How to ‘do’ when we are uncomfortable and our

16:30:48 [sperrott] face is against the wall. We do not know how to do anything that we are not forced to do.

16:31:02 [scrivs] stevew> He is shaking the ‘mud’ of his boots before climbing the fence into the next field.

16:31:10 [sperrott] No

16:32:27 [stevew] scrivs> Could a guy in the 8 position not be said to be one with his lowers … in an attitude of prayer? Not “prey to” but “pray with”.

16:33:14 [thedog] sperrott> There is always one thing you can do.

16:33:32 [scrivs] thedog> Is active reasoning the best way to overcome formatory apparatus ? If not, what then ?

16:34:25 [sperrott] I havent found any book, advice or other temporary factor that would be catalystic for quitting smoking. But when I am angry with myself, I see how many people I effect and the remorse that I feel from that, is the permanent ‘salt lick’ empowering me to be able to change. It is what I am using now

16:34:38 [sperrott] to combat madness.

16:35:15 [sperrott] It is important to know WHY you want to quit

16:35:17 [thedog] scrivs> Viewing without verbalizing is a start and Third Response is the coupe de grass.

16:35:22 [scrivs] stevew> My point is that the Bible story seems weird on this point. I think he IS one with his lowers, and takes them with him. Maybe..

16:37:28 alison exits from this room

16:37:33 [scrivs] thedog> Thanx. Makes sense. Your reply a cut above the rest.

16:37:50 [thedog] sperrott> AIEIOIUOA — Gurdjieff

16:38:41 [sperrott] thedog> Hallelluluah

16:39:44 [thedog] sperrott> Now you have a 3rd thing to read about and discover.

16:41:21 [gary] thedog> when/if Jesus said, I am the way, no one can enter the kingdom of heaven except through me. Does this mean being self conscious before being able to be objectively conscious ?

16:41:44 [thedog] gary> Yes Sir.

16:42:07 [sperrott] thedog> There are many, many things to read. So much that I could sit here and read for the rest of my physical life and still be surrounded in libraries full of wisdom that I havent touched.Right now…..I am in the midst of communications with a great teacher. I have put questions to my highers

16:43:00 [sperrott] and am awaiting a response. In the meantime, My college course is finished in ten weeks and I have a maths exam on Thurs.

16:43:12 [thedog] sperrott> Guidance recinded.

16:58:37 [jperrott] The way in which a Master teaches is often incomprehensible to the students.

16:59:14 [jperrott] This is generally because they are trying to understand the workings of something –

16:59:42 [jperrott] Wwhen, in reality they in inurgent need of its benefits.

17:00:10 [jperrott] Without its benefits, they will never be able to understand its workings!

17:05:53 [stevew] Rumi: “Each soul runs from poverty and destruction / How sad! It is running away from happiness and joy. / No one can triumph before being destroyed / O Beloved! reconcile me with destruction.”

17:06:00 [gary] sperrott> Thanks, good night.

17:06:14 [stevew] Good night, all.

17:06:57 [thedog] Thanks for your participation. Hope to see you all next week.

17:07:11 [scrivs] Good wishes to all. Love, Scriv.

17:07:41 [jperrott] Thanks and best wishes to all.

17:07:57 [gary] good night all.